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stat.ass/ edpsych report full of lies

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ArthurPewty Fri 26-Nov-10 19:16:42

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StarlightMcKenzie Fri 26-Nov-10 19:48:57

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ArthurPewty Fri 26-Nov-10 20:10:00

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ArthurPewty Fri 26-Nov-10 20:15:48

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ArthurPewty Fri 26-Nov-10 20:57:18

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SausageMonster Fri 26-Nov-10 21:59:02

You don't have that right Leonie.

Refite the inaccuracies in writing, giving her 14 days to send you a revised copy or you will complain to her boss.

Nobody trumps anyone else. It's horses for courses.

The Com Paed has the indisputable lead in dx.
The Ed Psych has it for recomending support in school etc.

ArthurPewty Fri 26-Nov-10 22:29:36

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ArthurPewty Fri 26-Nov-10 22:40:51

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ArthurPewty Fri 26-Nov-10 22:42:16

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daisy5678 Fri 26-Nov-10 22:45:36

Use the other professionals' report words to de-bunk the bullshit that the EP has spoken.

If it helps, my LA ignored the EP as well as everyone else when writing my son's first Statement, but we've got there in the end and he now has a very good one. We were also turned down a zillion times but they do eventually realise you mean business.

Good luck.

SausageMonster Fri 26-Nov-10 22:51:48

You've lost me now Leonie.

I didn't say the LA's Ed Pysch trumped the private Ed Pysch - you didn't offer the choice of private psych in your original post, only these:

the ASD specialising private salt
the ASD specialising Communication/Autism Team
or the plain-jane bog-standard absentee lying LA edpsych whose job is to keep the spending down?

An Ed Pysch is the eprson the LA look to to state what special educational provision will be required i.e. SALT.

the SALT's views will then suggest how much SALT will be required. SALT is not a psychologist - an Ed Pysch is.

Howvever the LA is then faced with a choice between plumping for their Ed Pysch and SALT's views or accepting your private Ed Pysch and private SALT views.

In an ideal world they would find a middle path bwteen the 2. However we live in a cash-constrained world with competing demnds so you get as little as they can get away with.

So LA plumps for their Ed Pysh and SALT because they can legitimately state they have taken expert advice and thsi is what is required. Your Ed Pysch and SALT may have a different view that increased provision is required but don't forget that support only has to be 'adequate' - not a Rolls-Royce solution which 20 hours per week SALT would probably be deemed to be. I've never heard of a single child getting 20 hours SALT per week - school week is only approx 25 hours so when are they supposed to learn anything else?

So it ends up in Tribunal in a qualification-waving fight as you try to convince the Tribunal that your people are more knowledgeable than the LAs people.

If eventually it transpires that LA ed Pysch and SALT were wrong and that results in damage to your child you can sue the LA, safe in the knowledge that your private reports suggested their support would be inadequate - and it was.

discodad Fri 26-Nov-10 22:56:27

You DO have the right to be present at assessment. It is in the code of practice, 7:75

I can't quote it right now, but look it up!

ArthurPewty Fri 26-Nov-10 22:58:09

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SausageMonster Fri 26-Nov-10 23:00:30

Thanks discodad - I was wrong.

ArthurPewty Fri 26-Nov-10 23:00:34

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daisy5678 Fri 26-Nov-10 23:02:02

not 20 hrs SALT - 20 hrs 1:1 and SALT as well, I thought (Leonie???)

I think Sausagemonster has the balancing act and its likely outcome right. What will tip the scales in your favour would be support from the school - you can legitimately say they know her educational needs best as she is there all day, but I seem to remember they're not on board (maybe??)

I insisted that, pre-the-Tribunal-that-never-was, the school must not allow any professional in to see my son without me being asked in advance and being present. I put it in writing. Nobody queried it and I would have gone mad if they'd ignored me. Normally, people come in pretty much at random but it was understood during that period that nothing and nobody saw my boy without my permission!

I can just imagine it:
EP: Do you like school
son: ...
EP: what do you think of school?
son: do you have an iPhone?
EP: do you like school?
son: I like iPhones
EP: we can talk about iPhones in a minute, but we're talking about school first.
Son: you are
EP: do you like school
son: no yes no yes...do you have an iPhone?

I think asking to be warned/ present is fair enough, not that I'm normally bothered but in an adversarial situation, yes.

daisy5678 Fri 26-Nov-10 23:02:29

Oh, x post x post x post! blush

ArthurPewty Fri 26-Nov-10 23:04:41

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SausageMonster Fri 26-Nov-10 23:11:27

Leonie

You've applied and been turned down twice.

You're probably going to get turned down again.

If you're going to take it to the nth degree this time you'll need to go to tribunal and for that you will definitely need a private Ed Pysch report and probbaly for that Ed Pysch to attend the Tribunal to argue your case for you.

So yes, I'd get one now.

My LA's Ed Pysch produced 2 sheets of A4 waffle and developmental history and bugger all recommendations.

My private Ed Psych who have an entrie bloody alphabet after her name and whose list of qualifications, relevnt experience and authorships took up more A4 pages than the LA's ed Pysch full report produced a 30 page report with full develoomental history, test results and interpretations, recommendations for support (24/7 1:1) and decsribed the outcome if that support was denied (total mental collapse and admission to psychiatric unit).

LA ignored it.

Son ended up in Pysch Unit.

LA ceased responsibility for him at age 16 by terminating his Statement and were content to sit back and wait for Tribunal hearing by which time he would be almost 17!.

Son got 24/7 1:1 funded by L&SC post-16.

LA got sued.

Point being - you need the best advice you can buy.

ArthurPewty Fri 26-Nov-10 23:13:06

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SausageMonster Fri 26-Nov-10 23:17:35

I insisted that, pre-the-Tribunal-that-never-was, the school must not allow any professional in to see my son without me being asked in advance and being present. I put it in writing. Nobody queried it and I would have gone mad if they'd ignored me.

That's exactly what I did too Giveme. (I just didn't realise I had the SEN COP on-side when I did it - or perhaps I did know but have forgotten).

the reason I refused was because earlier discussion had gone:

Consultant Pyschiatrist to son: "Do you hear voices"

ASD son <thinking what the hel''s he on about cos of course unless you are deaf everyone hears voices> replies "YES"

Consulatnt Pyschiatrist then promptly misdiagnoses him as a paranoid schizophrenic.

Mother then spends months and several thousand £ overturning asshole Consultant's incompenet dx.

Leonie - you need to stop taling to them and start writing to them.

ArthurPewty Fri 26-Nov-10 23:20:27

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SausageMonster Fri 26-Nov-10 23:24:27

Okay, achipp website has led me to someone i can contact in the morning

Don't waste your money on a CHILD Psychologist

YOU NEED AN EDUCATIONAL Psychologist

daisy5678 Fri 26-Nov-10 23:24:44

That's it - we know what our children will misinterpret and we know when their response is real. So I would have said 'he's not listening to you' to the EP and you would have 'translated' the 'do you hear voices' question for your son, or at least translated his answer back. Having a parent there can surely sometimes be helpful.

Lougle Fri 26-Nov-10 23:24:59

"7:75 At this point parents must be informed that, as part of the process of putting together all
the relevant advice, their child may be called for an examination or assessment. If their
child is to be examined or assessed, parents must also be informed of their right to be
present with their child at any interview, test, medical or other assessment which is being
conducted and should be told of the time, place and purpose of appointments. They
must also be told of the name of an LEA officer from whom they can obtain further
information, and that they have the right to submit information to the LEA if they want to.
Parents should be told that, whilst it is their right to be present, in certain circumstances it
may be counterproductive: for instance, where a classroom observation is carried out as
part of the assessment, a child will behave differently if their parents are present, which
would negate the purpose of the observation."

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