Dd1 (3.6) is driving me round the bend - quite seriously so. I can see myself snapping soon. She is still awake, having gone to bed at 7.30. This is nothing unusual, she is regularly awake at 11pm. During this time she is calling downstairs and up and down all the time. She still gets up between 7 and 7.30am. So far we have tried: shouting rewards / sanctions staying with her till she falls asleep ( the most boring 3.5 hours of my life) leaving a light on turning all lights off stairgate on door letting her read stopping her read
and pretty much anything else you care to think of. She is shattered during the day and, as a result, really grumpy, but still she won't sleep. We try to keep her as active as possible during the day. We have a steady bedtime routine. So, what on earth can we do next? DH mentioned the possibility of trying to see a child psychologist today - how do you do that? Would it work anyway? So very, very sleepy
I don't have any advice, I'm afraid. But it does sound awful, you have my sympathy. I would think that a trip to your GP would be the first step to getting referred to someone who can help. It sounds like you desperately need help for your own sanity. Good luck
Oh Dorris, I didn't know about this! Poor you. There used to be a sleep clinic in your town, based at the Children's Centre (not the one where you used to work, the other one - B.C.).
I've got no idea how you get to see anyone there, or even whether it's still there, but it might be worth phoning them to find out.
Would she have a sleep during the day again? Do you think she is overtired when she goes to bed?
Have you tried burning lavender in her room before she goes to bed, or putting lavender in her bath? You would need to check the strength of the lavender etc. What about a homeopath or cranial osteopath? (Oooh, get me with my alternative therapy ways ).
I promise not to talk about dd and her 13 hour sleep marathons when you come round next week
Hi Fishy! Sleep during the day is a no no, she just won't, unless it's in the car on a long journey. Even after a car nap though, she sleeps no better at night. Will try googling sleep clinics in our area. No, no mention of 13 hour sleeps at all. Infact, lie to me if you will and pretend E doesn't sleep at all!
the GP can prescribe some sleeping medicine (it's a sedative, the same as certain travel sickness medicine that you can get over the counter-phenergan). It doesn't always work for some children, others it has odd side effects. Have you tried exercise to make her tired? Warm milk also has a sedative effect, as does a story read in monotone.
Thank you for all replies! Cranial osteopath is something I hadn't thought about - cost would be a problem at the moment though. Interesting idea about no set bedtime. I will try it but fear she will just be up and wide awake down here going on and on and on....
Yes even though dd3 is now much better at staying asleep she rarely sleeps more than 9 hours, even when she started full time school it made no difference she doesn't need a lot of sleep but sometimes is very grumpy and difficult because she needed a bit more than she got. Doesn't do drowsy either one minute is awake the next asleep and always wakes up completely alert regardless of what time of night you wake her!
Yes, if you get rid of bedtime she will be up and about for rather a lot longer than she is at present and it will take her a little while to get used to the concept of having control over her own bedtime.
Why the 7.30 pm bedtime? That really is extremely early.
Anna8888 - I'm afraid I have to disagree. I don't think 7.30 is extremely early for most 3 yr olds, even though it is for your dd. I would say it is probably about average from what I've read on mumsnet. Most 3 year olds on here seem to go to bed between 7.00 - 8.00pm.
The fact that Dorris's dd is "shattered during the day and, as a result, really grumpy, but still she won't sleep" suggests that the late bedtime is not suiting her, but that she's struggling to settle herself.