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Little Ones sleep programmes

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Lemondrop99 Sat 29-Jul-17 19:14:31

Currently pregnant with my first and have been thinking about sleep. I'm not a fan of strict routines with tiny babies and originally planned to just go with the flow/be baby led. But I have friends who are still breastfeeding on demand and co-sleeping with their 1 year olds. Nothing wrong with this if it suits mum and baby, each to their own. But I think by this stage, I'd like a bit of routine and I'm hoping to avoid co-sleeping of possible (for safety reasons). I'm wondering if there are certain things I can do from the beginning to encourage a good sleep pattern.

So I'm looking for something in between. Something that will allow me to respond to my baby's needs without a strict routine, while doing what I can to support them in naturally falling into some sort of pattern.

I've stumbled across the Little Ones Facebook page and they sound like a fairly happy medium - understanding and exploring the reasons for sleep patterns, natural development in line with age and no harsh CIO methods. But it could all just be clever advertising. Has anyone used their programmes?

FATEdestiny Sat 29-Jul-17 19:41:49

No idea about that specific company and assuming this is your first child, everything you think/thought your knew may well change over this coming year.

With regards to:

I'm wondering if there are certain things I can do from the beginning to encourage a good sleep pattern

Use a swaddle from birth and a dummy from a few weeks old - the simplest no crying sleep solutions.

Ensure your baby is well fed, seeking early help if needed with breastfeeding or feeding frequently if bottle feeding. A hungry baby will never sleep well.

Know several winding techniques, inadequate winding causes pain and this disturbed sleep.

Put baby down to sleep. A well fed, well winded healthy newborn who is swaddled with a dummy should sleep passively most of the time.

A newborn shouldn't be spending very long awake. Wake, feed, wind, check nappy, back to sleep. No 'playing' necessary.

Lemondrop99 Sat 29-Jul-17 19:47:02

Thank you for the tips, gratefully received.

Yes, this is my first and I realise that I can't know what my baby will be like and very little will likely go to plan! I'm fully expecting to learn as I go, just wanted an idea of a strategy to start me off.

vlooby Sat 29-Jul-17 20:02:57

I certainly wish I'd known more how helpful swaddling could be. By the time I'd figured it out, my little one hated them!

Lemondrop99 Sat 29-Jul-17 20:24:41

I thought I might try a GroSnug, then if baby hates being swaddled, I can still use it as a sleeping bag. Heard a few things about them being too tight around the neck though.

Lemondrop99 Sun 30-Jul-17 14:53:41

Also, is anyone able to tell me about or point me towards a good resource to read about realistic expectations for sleeping and breastfeeding. It seems that breastfed babies awake more often in the night for feeding (and I understand that night feeds are important for building supply) but I'd like to know more about the reasons why, and also what age this would be expected to go on until, to help prepare myself mentally for what the first year might be like.

vlooby Sun 30-Jul-17 15:07:43

I found the kellymom website really helpful.

Also if you are on Facebook there are 'breastfeeding mums' groups for lots of areas and you'll probably find out about real life groups too which can be useful.

FATEdestiny Sun 30-Jul-17 15:27:14

Kellymom and milk meg at the two biggest known breastfeeding bloggers.

Watching the sleep and feeding boards on Mumsnet will help too. And as pp said, there are various Facebook groups.

Lemondrop99 Sun 30-Jul-17 15:36:38

Great thanks, I'll have a look

Ladylolly Sun 30-Jul-17 18:48:32

My EBF fed LO frequently through the night until 9 months old. He went through periods of sleeping for up to 7hrs at a stretch at 2-4 months.
Then a sleep regression which is always growth related meant he would sleep less between feeds. At 9 months when he was eating really well and having 3/4 big breast feeds in the day we decided to night wean as he was waking every hour or two to feed back to sleep.
Lots of people would disagree with that choice but after three nights of being settled with rocking and shushing and being put back in his cot he slept through. He also ate even more during the day and took more breast milk to.
We've had regressions since and lots of sleep related angst that is totally normal but it always changes. He's a champion sleeper now at 18months he'll sleep 13/14hrs at night. You will not sleep much for the first few months and that is totally normal. Hard but normal. Some babies are freaky and sleep great from a young age but it's not the norm.

MrsJW15 Mon 31-Jul-17 05:30:29

@Lemondrop99 we used a grosnug from 5 or 6 weeks. They are great! I'd definitely recommend them.

On breastfeeding and sleeping, all babies are different. Our baby is EBF and has been doing 6-8 hour stretches at night from about 6 weeks. Formula doesn't guarantee a better night. Nothing wrong with using it but don't do it just to get longer sleep stretches!

Brown76 Mon 31-Jul-17 06:55:02

My DC1 aged 3 still wakes at night, my DC2 aged 5 months is a thumb sucker and slept through the night from 9 weeks. I had the same approach of BF on demand with both, and had both in the room with me from birth. I found that their sleep needs and patterns were very clear and emerged naturally by watching their cues. Also that they changed from month to month so I have had to try different techniques to respond to their changing stage of development, teething etc.

Lemondrop99 Mon 31-Jul-17 18:33:52

Thanks all. Really interesting to hear the differences, and that breast feeding on demand doesn't necessarily mean night waking for years. I have the NCT breastfeeding session in a few weeks, so hoping I'll feel a bit more prepared after that.

Katetsir Fri 01-Dec-17 11:04:02

Just trying to get my 10wk this old into a routine as his preferred bedtime is midnight (and with a toddler too we can’t carry on with that timing). I can just about stretch his feeds to 3hrs, he can only stay awake between 1-1.5 he’s after he gets up but the issue we have is that when he does nap he can’t do more than 40mins and then once he’s slept for 40mins no amount of resettling will get him back down! So our cycles are ending up very short! Does anyone have any advise for how you adapt a 3hr routine if they wake early from naps?

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