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I thought earlier bedtime was supposed to mean longer sleep!!!! Help!!

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emeraldgirl1 Mon 02-Sep-13 07:59:12

DD is 5.5m, she has been a decent napper and ok ish at night though still needs a night feed obv. She uses to go down at 7.45 and has begun to wake consistently at 6.15 to 6.30 (with a night feed in middle)

But due to teething/growth spurt/who knows what she has been worse at naps and getting overtired. Barely able to function beyond 6.45 pm

So in line with current thinking I brought her bedtime forward, getting her into bed between 6.45 and 7. Asleep then by 7.15

ALL THAT HAPPENS is that she wakes half an hour earlier, at 5.45!!!!!

She is then utterly zonked by about 6.45 but still seems programmes to nap 90min after waking but by 7.15 she is also again overtired... And so the whole day gets off to a bad start!!

I thought earlier bedtime meant better, longer sleep!!!!!

Does it take longer to establish? Been doing it about 5 days...

A 5.45 wake up time is just hideous for me, due to time H needs to get off to work etc... That extra time til 6.30 just sets the day up properly... 5.45 doesn't work for any of us!!! It just makes DD tired ALL morning

Any advice???

emeraldgirl1 Mon 02-Sep-13 20:21:10

nickelbabe, that's v good advice re getting back into bed with her when she wakes early, a little rest would probably do me a lot of good at that time rather than getting up and feeling I need to play etc...

nickelbabe Mon 02-Sep-13 20:22:10

I do like my bed rest grin

bigkidsdidit Mon 02-Sep-13 20:22:57

It's great you're so happy with your routine Nickel

But I suspect the Op is like me, and doing the bare minimum at home would add to stress rather than relieve it. I like to get up at 6 and have a load of washing done, dishwasher on, laundry folded, lunches made, all ready before DS1 wakes up. It sets me up for a stress free day having a peaceful hour to myself smile

bigkidsdidit Mon 02-Sep-13 20:24:12

Oh x post - perhaps not grin

CreatureRetorts Mon 02-Sep-13 20:27:18

3 naps a day seems normal to me for a baby that age with the third nap being a short cat nap. There are sleep regressions which mess with sleep. Plus teething and growth spurts. The answer isn't to deprive them of sleep.

I would try feeding baby at the wake up and see if she goes back down.

emeraldgirl1 Mon 02-Sep-13 20:35:15

Thanks Creature. I have been wondering if its a growth spurt as she is SO hungry...
Do you still think it might make sense to try to get her to do one longer nap in the morning rather than 2 short ones, though? The point being that (it seems on MN) there seems to be a lot of thought that a v early nap can actually prolong early waking as it's really a way for them to catch up on missed nighttime sleep... I've been enjoying the fact that she's like clockwork and will go down for a 30 min nap exactly 90min after waking as it gives me an opportunity to leap in the shower, get dishwasher on, laundry etc (bigkids, I am a BIT like you...) but maybe the answer is just try and keep her going til an hour or so later and see if she'll sleep longer then...

I am not good at going against DD's natural rhythms though, I hate to see her struggling to stay awake.

nickelbabe Mon 02-Sep-13 20:35:18

bigkid you're right, we're all different. I just added my bit in case op was stressing at "having" to get it all done from a perception placed on her.

CreatureRetorts Mon 02-Sep-13 20:54:06

A short morning nap should counteract it so 30 mins seems ok. Then a longer midday one and a short pm one which she will drop as she approaches 9 months.

TBH there's little point messing with naps if she's hungry.

Yes my two had massive growth spurts around this age! T settled down and they got much better again.

CreatureRetorts Mon 02-Sep-13 20:55:19

Sorry I wouldn't push it later (the morning nap). As she gets a bit older she might move it later but even then I'd only go as much as two hours after waking.

emeraldgirl1 Mon 02-Sep-13 21:32:33

thanks so much Creature

I think really I am just always torn about what to do with her second nap, the one between morning and lunchtime naps... she does really seem to need it as she conks out for 30 mins or 40 mins at 9.15 or 9.30 (not surprising if she's been up since 5ish...) but am always a bit concerned that she 'shouldnt' be having 4 naps a day... even though time-wise it might be the right amount, basically... don't know why I feel that but I do sometimes feel as if all I am doing is going from nap to nap with her... is hard to 'do' much in the way of trips out etc (nothing exotic, just to park and stuff) as a lot of the morning is spent on these two naps... she's not at all good at napping in her pushchair and anyway with my work situation I do really need ot be home when she naps so I can get on... anyway the end result, with the two morning naps, is that I feel as if the poor thing is just stuck at home going from one nap to the next...

I know it won't last though...

CreatureRetorts Mon 02-Sep-13 21:37:14

Have you tried resettling her as if it were nighttime at the 545 wake up? So feed then straight back to sleep? Because it sounds like that's what she wants as opposed to 4 naps.

KFFOREVER Mon 02-Sep-13 21:48:05

emerald ds is 6 months and has 4 naps a day. He too is an early riser no matter what time he sleeps. Early mornings kill but i let him play in his cot while i rest until he starts getting grumpy. This gives me 30-45mins extra in bed. Im a great believer that babies set their own routines and we go with the flow until they get a bit older.

omama Tue 03-Sep-13 06:42:14

emeraldgirl - i've only skimmed through the other posts, the 2 naps in the a.m. stands out as unusual. I don't think its the timing of bedtime that is the problem, its the fact her first nap of the day is so very early, when most other babies are getting up. I fell into this pattern with my ds & he woke early for ages, soon as i twigged his nap needed to be later I got the early waking sorted out.

I would try & consolidate these 2 short morning naps into a single (slightly longer) morning nap at around 8.30/9am (approx 2hrs after her ideal wakeup time).

At the moment this will be difficult to achieve, given her wakeup time being so early, so I would suggest delaying her first nap by 5-10mins every few days. She should manage that ok without becoming too overtired. It takes a bit of time but in a few weeks she will be napping later, hopefully for a touch longer & you should see an improvement in wakeup times. Hth.x

nickelbabe Tue 03-Sep-13 09:57:38

after my post yesterday, DD woke up at 6!

so, I took my own advice and let her feed and snuggle until 8.
(i did also put the telly on and dozed on and off)

it was nice, though, felt like a lie-in.

and I know that she'll be tired a lot earlier today. (for her nap)

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