Skiing AIBU ( re sharing cost)

[WoodenSkis]

Should toddlers in cots be included in the total numbers when splitting the cost of ski accommodation? Bearing in mind that the needs of the toddlers dictated the choosing of more expensive accommodation, due to child related facilities and services that no one else needs.

[ExitPursuedByABear]

In that case I would say yes.

[Only1scoop]

Of course or you would have chosen a smaller place.

[HowCanIMissYouIfYouWontGoAway]

Since additional costs have been incurred specifically to meet the needs of the toddlers then yes, I think the parents should pay those additional costs. The difference between what it would have cost people to go to the place they would have gone to without the children and the cost of the place they all ended up in order to cater for the children.

[WoodenSkis]

Thanks. Thing is, we wouldn't have needed a smaller place as they're no in actual beds, but we certainly could've got much cheaper place and taken our pick of cheap resorts. Just want to be fair. If they're excluded from the numbers, I can't afford it.

[BikeRunSki]

I was going to say no, but since the more expensive accommodation was driven by the toddler, then yes.

[WoodenSkis]

Trouble is... We are booking on sole occupancy basis and are getting a better deal as a result. But if booked by the room, toddlers pay very little at this place. Is it still fair for us to include them in the numbers?

[PurpleStripedSock]

What sort of extra child related facilities do you mean though? I'm a bit confused as to how toddlers would incur much extra cost to a ski break really.

I think you might face a problem if everyone else in the group is happy to pay the extra cost and you are not.

[Only1scoop]

What numbers of people and toddlers are we looking at?

[WoodenSkis]

Purple, wouldn't say that if you'd had experience of companies like esprit! Trust me, some toddler related extras can impact on whole holiday price as it's a niche market. Don't want tumour myself by giving more details ( it's not esprit though- that's just an example).

[WoodenSkis]

Tumour?? That should say 'to out' myself

[PurpleStripedSock]

Okay, I'm a bit lost to be honest. Any ski holidays I've ever had have involved booking a chalet large enough for as many want to attend and then getting on with it. I can't imagine what sort extras are involved etc. Is it childcare/lessons you are talking about or something else?

Also interested in pps question 'how many grown ups and how many toddlers' are we talking here?

[LIZS]

Not sure how you can book sole occupancy if you need space for a cot . Surely that in itself incurs an extra cost. If the accommodation was chosen to be be child friendly then yes their cost should be included.

[LIZS]

Or do you mean sole occupancy of the chalet not room . If so yes a toddler counts as an individual.

[HerRoyalNotness]

So if a chalet that didn't cater for children was 2400 for the week and there were 6 adults going, you'd pay out 400 each.

If the extra child friendly facilities/creche etc.. mean that you are now in a chalet that costs 3k for the week. 4 adults should still only pay 400 each and the parents of toddler should pay 400each + 600 additional costs.

Is that what you mean? If so, yes the parents should pick up the extra cost, they shouldn't put that burden on their fellow travellers.

[WoodenSkis]

Her royal and Liz...you're both on the right track. Sole chalet occupancy.

[rookiemere]

It's a difficult one.

When you agreed to go away with them you knew that they had a toddler, if you don't want to pay for a more expensive chalet which has facilities that you don't need, then I would say you're perfectly ok to say, look we don't need these facilities, we'd rather stay down the road and see you during the day, but if you are staying in the chalet, then I think you've got to pay the printed price.

[WoodenSkis]

Rookie, I've tried. But they want us all to be together. It's not really relevant to say. We all pay the printed per person price as it's not being booked on that basis. I'm just going to have to veto it as it's beyond our budget if it's divided by fewer people. I can see both sides. I don't want to point out that I think it's unfair as I don't want to cause friction.

[Trickydecision]

I agree with HowcanIMissYou and others who say they should be included in the cost since their presence affects the overall price.

[rookiemere]

Wooden - I think all you can say then is
"Sorry we can't afford 1000 per person,our budget is 600 per person max. The extra childcare services are pushing the per person prices up so it's going to be tricky to find something that suits all of us"

[SignoraLiviaBurlando]

Yes, surely all you have to do is tell them your budget, and that you need to find accommodation that will meet it. And a good compromise would be for you to get a nearby apartment, and come to theirs for socialising.

[Artandco]

Surely you just book somewhere else?

I can't quite understand what extra is needed just due to added toddler? If you need say 4 bedrooms with x2 adults in each to accommodate adults and toddler is in travel cot then costs should be divided by 8.

We always ski with ours. Last year they were 2 and 4 when we skied. We stayed with family in same 4 bed chalet we have the last 6 years. Children just stay in our room. No need for extra facilities that cost others more. We then just pay for private ski instructor each morning for them, but that's completely separate cost for us from chalet.

[FishWithABicycle]

The thing is that if upgrading to a toddler-friendly resort is putting the per-adult price beyond your means, then it would certainly also be an unaffordable burden to put those upgrade costs for the whole party onto the family with the toddler. It's a tricky one. Is it already booked and you're only now trying to divide the cost, or is it not booked yet? Hopefully the latter, in which case you can set your budget according to what everyone can afford and if you can't book something to that budget you don't go.

[Trickydecision]

I don't think, from what Wooden said, that it is simply a matter of where the toddlers sleep. I can imagine a situation where the cheaper chalet has poor accessibilty for some reason which makes it unsuitable for non skiers and toddlers. I can certainly think of places we have stayed where I would not fancy hauling toddlers to and from.

[FishWithABicycle]

When we do group holidays with friends, 10-15yo count as 0.75 of a person, 1-9yo are 0.5 of a person and only under ones are entirely zero. But you have to agree how costs will be split before anything is booked if you want to avoid a row.

[lampygirl]

Resorts with good childcare facilities and non-skier type activities are likely to be more expensive in general if imagine. Probably harder to get a vast choice of facilities in a smaller or less well known resort, where accommodation, food, lift passes and ski hire are all likely to be cheaper.