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TransAgenda BullShit: The I am Spartacus Thread

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OscarDeLaYenta Thu 25-Aug-16 19:17:39

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Ifitquackslikeaduck Thu 25-Aug-16 23:18:43

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antimatter Thu 25-Aug-16 23:19:12

Cosigned.

I am antimatter.

A man cannot become a woman.
A woman cannot become a man.
Gender is a social construct
You are not ASSIGNED sex at birth, you HAVE a sex at birth.
Transwomen are not women, transmen are not men.

There is no such thing as a female penis.
There is no such thing as a lesbians with a penis.
I am a woman and will not be referred to as Cis.

It would be sad to be banned from MN but I stand by my words!

spottyswat Thu 25-Aug-16 23:19:20

I'm delighted to add my voice to those who are sick of male violence being reported as women's crimes - my main peak trans moment. Spottyspartacuswat

travellingbird Thu 25-Aug-16 23:23:32

We are women. We speak the truth. We are Spartacus.

ReluctantCamper Thu 25-Aug-16 23:25:39

I am Spartacus.

MN is a rare place where women are in control. It's important MNHQ.

peacelikeariver Thu 25-Aug-16 23:26:34

I am Peace.

A man cannot become a woman.
A woman cannot become a man.
Nate/Ada Wells, Danielle Muscato, Claire Darbyshire, Anna Lee, Stephonknee Wolscht, Paris Lees are not women, they are men.
There is no such thing as a female penis.

Sex is biological fact.
Gender is a ridiculous social construct.
I am a woman, I will not tolerate being referred to as cis.

I'm not nearly as articulate as many of the posters on here but I stand in solidarity.
I am Spartacus.

aliasjoey Thu 25-Aug-16 23:29:08

I am Joey.

I agree with everything above.

Spartacus Thu 25-Aug-16 23:29:21

I'd forgotten I had this namechange (I have already posted on this thread, to clarify that I'm not another poster) - but I shall stay Spartacus now, I think. Fitting, innit.

I am Spartacus.

StrawberrytallCake Thu 25-Aug-16 23:32:12

I'm with all of you on this ^

So happy to have found mumsnet and the understanding and explanation of why I feel uncomfortable with this in particular.

I will happily call anyone whatever they wish to be called, but men cannot be women and women cannot be men. It's a fact.

BearFoxBear Thu 25-Aug-16 23:37:19

^^ what they said.

Ban me if you wish. This offensive and utterly illogical bullshit is consuming MN and making it an uncomfortable place to be.

revoltingwoman Thu 25-Aug-16 23:37:47

I am tired of putting people's feelings above objective truth. You can take hormones, you can cut into your body, but you can never change sex. Sex biological and gender is how we are conditioned by a patriarchal society.

RunnyRattata Thu 25-Aug-16 23:38:45

I believe people with xx chromosomes are women and people with xy chromosomes are men. This is scientific fact and cannot be wished away no matter how much I or the poor tortured dysmorphic souls wish it could be.

I have nothing but sympathy for pepole who genuinely believe they have been born into the wrong body. However, being forced to give up female only spaces to a person with a penis is not acceptable. A person with a penis is a man and all penises are male.

I will retain control of the language I use by referring to a transgender person by their chosen name and avoiding the pronoun entirely. I will not knowingly call a man she or a woman he.

Mumsnet, you are letting women down.

terryleather Thu 25-Aug-16 23:42:36

I am terryleather.

I've lurked on the feminism boards for a while now without posting, but now it's time to stand up and be counted - if I'm banned I'm banned.

It is not possible to change sex.

Female is not an identity or "feelz" inside your head, female is biology + socialisation.

MtT are a subset of males and FtT are a subset of females.

No woman is cis.

F**k "the wrong side of history" at least I know biology and observable measureable reality.

wigglybeezer Thu 25-Aug-16 23:44:47

I am wigglybeezer, I am Spartacus.

Spartacus Thu 25-Aug-16 23:46:42

Mumsnet have a huge opportunity here to do the right thing by women.

WorkingItOutAsIGo Thu 25-Aug-16 23:47:48

I am Working. I am good at maths and science, assertive and confident, and happiest being in charge. I like rock music, enjoy Guiness and live in jeans. None of this makes me a man, it just makes me a woman called working with these skills and tastes. Gender is a societal construct and not only does it have no meaning in fact, it has been used in positively harmful ways against women forever. I worry about the young girls I know who are beginning to believe that because they don't like pink they must be boys. What a depressing imposition of ridiculous gender norms this represents.

There are two biological sexes, plus a very small number of people who are intersex due to a development in the womb. Beyond that time, your sex is fixed and cannot be changed.

However, I will address anyone by the name they wish to be called, and will use the gender pronoun they wish, because that is polite and respectful. But it doesn't mean I believe they have changed sex if I do this for a transman; just that I am nice.

I have campaigned for LGBT rights for the last 35 years and support everyone's right to live as they wish and love whom they want.

But I believe the current trans-agenda is misogynistic, dangerous and damaging to all women. Activists are trying to control the language we use to control the way we think, and everyone (including MNHQ) is acting as though they are too scared to challenge this doublethink as they know they will then be targeted by hate. We have to stand up against this together.

There is no such thing as a female penis and the cotton ceiling is a rapist's charter.

I am Working and I am Spartacus.

BurstBees Thu 25-Aug-16 23:48:42

I've already nailed my colours to the mast on this issue on previous threads.

Time for MNHQ to do the same. Please.

ClaudetteWyms Thu 25-Aug-16 23:49:55

I agree with everyone on here.

I find cis deeply offensive. I am a woman.

A man can never be a woman, even if he takes hormones and has surgery to change his body. If he was born male he is a man.

Many of the wonderful posters on Mumsnet have opened my eyes to this issue. But MNHQ clearly do not understand it. I do not want women to calm down about this issue, we have the right to be very fucking angry.

I love this thread.

HoneyDragon Thu 25-Aug-16 23:50:00

If MNHQ object to me calling a person who uses a penis to have penetrative sex a man than they can show me the door.

HairyLittlePoet Thu 25-Aug-16 23:54:26

I am Hairy
I am Spartacus
Men can not become women
Women can not become men
Sex is not an identity
Sex is not a feeling
Sex is real
Sex is unchangeable
Gender is fantasy
Gender hurts women
I reject gender
I won't refer to anyone's gender as if I believed in such bullshit
I can't misgender using words that mean sex anyway
I won't lend credibility to ideas that are invented to hurt me by playing along
Truth matters
Truth matters
TRUTH MATTERS
You can't compel me to lie
You can of course censor me, and all of these women for telling the truth if you wish
That wouldn't be a super legacy though
You didn't think that YOU were Mumsnet, did you, MNHQ?
Look at who is on this thread
All these women
You're not Mumsnet

We are.

heritager Fri 26-Aug-16 00:00:37

I am a scientist and a feminist.

I also try to be a kind person and I know and value several trans people, so I've thought about this a lot and changed my position more than once. In the end, I think:

Gender is a social construct. That means your gender is constructed by society. You can try to influence how your gender is constructed, but you don't get to choose it. None of us do.

We certainly don't get to choose our sex. A woman can't become a man or vice versa.

I am Spartacus.

MissSueFlay Fri 26-Aug-16 00:02:26

I am MissSueSparticus
Gender is a social construct that should be abolished.
Sex is a biological fact.
Transing children is child abuse.
Do NOT call me cis.

PovertyPain Fri 26-Aug-16 00:02:34

MNHQ, why isn't this on trending? Are you hoping that if you keep it off there, we will go away? I've noticed before, that if posters object to anything remotely trans, it doesn't appear on trending. We aren't going away until mumsnet lets it's female members be heard or we're banned.

The more you try to silence us, the more we will shout.

SomeonesRealName Fri 26-Aug-16 00:04:49

I am SomeonesRealName.

I am not cis. The idea of cis is bullshit.

There's no such thing as a lesbian with a penis or a woman with a penis. A man who has surgery to look like a woman is a man. A man who thinks he is a woman is a man. A man who wants to be a woman is a man. This is biological reality not hate speech. Gender is a system of oppression.

tldr Fri 26-Aug-16 00:05:12

TldrSpartacus

Men cannot become women. That's not phobic, that's reality.

I'm a woman, not a cis-woman.

Transing children should be criminal.

If people are unhappy at having to live within society's expectations of their gender, they should challenge those expectations, not expect everyone else to deny science/reality.

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