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Site attacks, hackergate and resetting passwords - here's what we know, what we're doing about it and what we think you should do. PLEASE READ! PART TWO

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RebeccaMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 19-Aug-15 07:31:49

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads https:// rather than http:// at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that https:// is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on contactus@mumsnet.com with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

00100001 Wed 19-Aug-15 07:40:46

The secure password will help - (not with phishing obvs) but in general it will stop anyone guessing/brute force attacks

Pommes Wed 19-Aug-15 07:40:49

001, please could you check for me?

MythicalKings Wed 19-Aug-15 07:40:59

I have the list. Too many for MN to notify quickly.

PlainHunting Wed 19-Aug-15 07:41:12

I can't see myself on the list but I have changed names a lot and could have missed it. However, I have had to log back into MN several times over the last few days and I'm convinced that my emails have been compromised. I have been deluged with dodgy emails over the last few days, to the point where my email account is near impossible to use (think 100s of spam type mails per hour with only a handful of emails actually written to me per day).

I have tried to name change and change my password on MN but can't because it won't accept the original password, even though I know that's the one I've been using recently. Currently logged on with my most resent user name and logged in via FB. confused

I'm not the most tech savvy person so hope at some point someone can explain in layman's terms what on earth I should do.

I'm going to spend the morning changing passwords and user names on all the other websites I use that matter to me. My usernames have all been unique to MN but other passwords have been variants of the one I use(d) here.

Altinkum Wed 19-Aug-15 07:41:24

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Minionoftruth Wed 19-Aug-15 07:41:26

can't see you agent

PegsPigs Wed 19-Aug-15 07:41:28

Dixie type into the address bar where the www.dad etc currently is. Right at the bottom it says 'on this page'. And the number of matches. You need to have the list open on a webpage first (apologies if that's obvious).

00100001 Wed 19-Aug-15 07:41:37

pommes Not on the list with that username smile

IF ANYONE USES A DIFFERENT USERNAME - PM ME AND I WILL CHECK THAT ONE FOR YOU smile

headlesslambrini Wed 19-Aug-15 07:41:48

Can someone check if Im on the list please, I'm having trouble logging into my email, thanks

G1veMeStrength Wed 19-Aug-15 07:41:51

I realise this sounds patronising but am going to shout it regardless

IF YOU USE THE SAME PASSWORD ON OTHER SITES DO NOT SAY SO!!!

Just go and change your passwords on all the other sites.

Minionoftruth Wed 19-Aug-15 07:42:07

No pommes

hobnobsaremyfave Wed 19-Aug-15 07:42:43

Please can someone check for me I can't get to a pc to look until later on my phone on way to work at the moment
Thank you x

Altinkum Wed 19-Aug-15 07:42:59

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MythicalKings Wed 19-Aug-15 07:43:07

No headless

Minionoftruth Wed 19-Aug-15 07:43:11

No hobnob

ConstanceBlackwood Wed 19-Aug-15 07:43:25

I'm on it. No email from mumsnet! Found out through AIBU and checked list. Was my old password

Minionoftruth Wed 19-Aug-15 07:43:55

I too think they probably have everyone.

How long did they have control for

Kleptronic Wed 19-Aug-15 07:44:41

They didn't get into the system. They tricked people into entering their details on a fake login page, and recorded keystrokes.

They haven't been in the database.

Of course, once they had login details, this meant they could log in as someone, and see that person's PMs, profile etc.

They can't get in with that data now, all passwords have been forced reset.

BudgeUp Wed 19-Aug-15 07:44:46

Does anyone have a link to the list?

hobnobsaremyfave Wed 19-Aug-15 07:45:00

Thank you xx

Whatthefucknow Wed 19-Aug-15 07:45:12

Am I on the list please?

Vixxfacee Wed 19-Aug-15 07:45:32

Can anyone check if my old username vixxface is on the list. I can't remember my old email account or password so I have had to make a new account.

Toooldtobearsed Wed 19-Aug-15 07:45:40

Thank you Altinkum!

Cannot understand what is happening then, my email account is virtually unusable confused

Nishky Wed 19-Aug-15 07:45:42

Would anyone mind checking if I am on the list, thanks

JonesTheSteam Wed 19-Aug-15 07:45:47

Is it possible for someone to check it I'm on the list please? TIA

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