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What about a "this was a troll - locked thread" option?

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Thandeka Sat 06-Aug-11 23:13:47

Thanks for prompt ID and deletion of yet another of the ELCS&FF troll threads. It's a shame sometimes these threads are deleted when people have taken time to write thoughtful responses. Also because the threads are deleted so quickly then alot of posters may not realise there is an ELCS&FF troll so when it pops up again they get taken in.

So I was wondering about a locked thread option with a "this thread was found to be trolling so no more posts are being accepted but many thanks for the genuine posters who took time to respond". The thread could be moved to an "under the bridge" new section of mumsnet just so us genuine posters could not lose our replies and also keep abreast of trolling trends!

I appreciate in some cases the trolling is so heinous it has to go but maybe sometimes just a short blurb of troll name and a gist of trolling activity? I guess it might run the risk of turning into a 'mumsnet most wanted" or "troll hall of fame" but might it be worth a punt? Getting quite lost in trolls at min and wouldn't consider myself a troll hunter at all- I just hang out a lot on ELCS threads so spot a trend!

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Sat 06-Aug-11 23:20:04

Thanks for the suggestion, Thandeka.

We do sometimes leave up "troll" threads where the replies to the troll are thoughtful - on the basis that they might be helpful to someone else in (genuinely) the same condition.

But we could see, on the occasion, that other posters were beginning to sense that all was not quite right - and we didn't want it to descend into a bunfight/trollhunt.

We will think about your suggestion, though - and would welcome anybody else's thoughts on this, too.

TheMagnificentBathykolpian Sun 07-Aug-11 10:10:58

Well, it can't descend into a bunfight if it's locked. But it does remain there so people can see the advice, which is good.

The downside is imagine the pleasure a troll would get from its own section where it could relive its trolling adventures?!

BluddyMoFo Sun 07-Aug-11 10:14:27

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

TheDailyWail Sun 07-Aug-11 10:15:25

But would this not then be a Troll Hall of Fame that the Trolls would be proud Of? Provoking more threads?

ShowOfHands Sun 07-Aug-11 10:16:24

Noooooooooo.

Delete them. Don't give them the encouragement or attention they crave. Getting your particular brand of bollocks in the troll hall of fame is nothing to aspire to and they shouldn't be encouraged, they should be removed.

OracleInaCoracle Sun 07-Aug-11 10:17:32

<Waves to thandeka and gives her a sloppy snog> I think its a good idea.

spout Sun 07-Aug-11 10:20:37

I think that MN is rich enough in advice and support in it's archives from genuine OPs. No need to keep up troll threads. Especially no need to glorify them in their own section.

Maryz Sun 07-Aug-11 10:26:23

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

AitchTwoOh Sun 07-Aug-11 10:27:00

what i think is interesting is that this is always presented as the fact that others will lose out on the benefit of some kind posters' experience etc etc, but i think something closer to the truth is that the kind posters themselves lose out by having their posts deleted. it can sometimes be a real deep breath moment to post here about terrible things that have happened, and the act of writing it down can bring feelings to the fore that we didn't know we had. i've certainly gone back and read posts i've written and learned something i didn't know, iykwim?
but i don't know what's to be done, really, i am of the opinion that trolls should be ignored tbh. i do feel for those who spill their guts on here and can't go back and read what they wrote, though, it can be so helpful.

OracleInaCoracle Sun 07-Aug-11 10:35:19

Aitch <waves> I agree. It can be very therapeutic to read back old posts. I also agree with mary in that its always handy to be able to refer back to old trolls and draw comparisons. There is always someone who doesn't believe that so and so was a troll. Its handy to read stories such as the emma bowyer one to remind how clever and cold trolls can be.

OracleInaCoracle Sun 07-Aug-11 10:35:21

Aitch <waves> I agree. It can be very therapeutic to read back old posts. I also agree with mary in that its always handy to be able to refer back to old trolls and draw comparisons. There is always someone who doesn't believe that so and so was a troll. Its handy to read stories such as the emma bowyer one to remind how clever and cold trolls can be.

TheMagnificentBathykolpian Sun 07-Aug-11 10:36:06

Don't you think though, that people will do more and more to try to get a thread in the troll section?

That's the downside.

Yes, it's good to have access to the helpful advice, and there has certainly been advice on what turned out to be troll threads that has gone - and because perhaps of the nature of the thread, that same advice has never come up again, which is a loss. It would be good to save that advice, if it was possible.

But that downside! it's a biggie grin

Can you imagine the trolling?

OracleInaCoracle Sun 07-Aug-11 10:39:13

Don't you think though, that people will do more and more to try to get a thread in the troll section?

It would make them easier to spot though. The hard ones are subtle and insidious, if the arrival of a troll section made them more outlandish, so much the better!

OracleInaCoracle Sun 07-Aug-11 10:39:14

Don't you think though, that people will do more and more to try to get a thread in the troll section?

It would make them easier to spot though. The hard ones are subtle and insidious, if the arrival of a troll section made them more outlandish, so much the better!

DuelingFanjo Sun 07-Aug-11 10:41:43

just delete them I say. There's plenty of good advice on mumsnet if you search and plenty of new good advice from genuine posterd. Locking it is just an excuse to keep it visible so everyone who missed it can still have a good gawp. If you still want to see them you can sometimes by seaching google.

annieversaire Sun 07-Aug-11 10:57:54

I think thread locking is a grand idea, about time we had the facility at any rate.

I think it was suggested last year.

ShowOfHands Sun 07-Aug-11 10:59:25

You can't even see the Emma Bowyer stuff anymore.

I think it's unworkable in so many ways. I'm not allowed a Friday Night Topic because it might attract weirdos, but a troll topic where they can come in their brown trousers, complete with desperate leer and ejaculate all over their grubby laptops? And we sit around like voyeurs, promoting ourselves as BA (hons) Troll Hunters because look x did it in y thread and therefore z MUST also be a troll? Don't let that happen fgs.

And MNHQ rarely have the definitive proof that somebody is a classic troll. Who makes the decision about what goes into that topic? If you're giving them the attention of seeing their posts in glorious technicolour then the real vulnerable and needy ones are being fulfilled in a way that does them no favours. Of course they may just try again should we delete their lies but it is not MN's job to afford these people an audience. They need to be stopped in this particular form of attention and beyond MNHQ requesting we report suspicions and not giving more of ourselves that we can afford to lose, there is no better way.

Take the current childbirth troll. S/he might just be a bored American teen craving attention, but they might also be somebody who is struggling and there's no way and no onus upon MN to make those decisions or display the fruits of their labours with no real comprehension as to why they're posting in the first place. And Sassy, the great unknown. Highly likely that she trolled once upon a time, but who will ever know whether the more recent developments were true. Locking somebody fragile up in a thread does not help them or us.

It wouldn't help us understand or spot anything, quite frankly it's not our job anyway. That's not the point of MN. I bet you my last oatmeal and raisin cookie, you click on active convos right now, at least one thread on there will be troll led. They're not a species to be categorised, they have as many styles and methods as the rest of us. Lots of them you can spot at 100 paces with one eye closed but beyond reasonable suspicion, it's not our job to sit around gawking and speculating. It's like those misery porn books 'nooooooo daddy, not there' bollocks.

And as MNHQ could rarely say 'this IS a troll', how much bloody work would go into locking threads, explaining themselves, constant demands about WHY that thread was moved, other threads popping up. No, feck em, delete 'em and respect HQ enough to know that if there's anything to learn then they'll tell us.

Maryz Sun 07-Aug-11 11:05:45

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

annieversaire Sun 07-Aug-11 11:07:41

what a beautiful bit of prose. also a terrific argument.

I wonder if a troll thread purgatory would be good though. Put a lock on it, move it to somewhere innocuous and leave it there for a week so new threads don't pop up...people can see what the fuss was about, without having to ask over and over again...and after a week it goes bang and is gone forever.

maybe unworkable.

JodieHarsh Sun 07-Aug-11 11:23:06

What SOH said (I am now intrigued as to what the Emma Bowyer stuff was...).

As an aside, did anyone see the huge advertisement seeking Tollhunters in yesterday's Guardian?! I thought MN was advertising for moderators because I am a gullible fool but it turned out to be viral advertising for this film...

DuelingFanjo Sun 07-Aug-11 11:25:31

Applauds showofhands.

OracleInaCoracle Sun 07-Aug-11 12:00:34

Actually, forget that. I agree with showy.

OracleInaCoracle Sun 07-Aug-11 12:00:36

Actually, forget that. I agree with showy.

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