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MNHQ - why can't you leave threads which you have reason to suspect are trolling threads?

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silverfrog Fri 14-Jan-11 12:02:03

The recent AS/ADD/ASD one is a case in point.

OP spouts some nonsense about (in her opinion) 90% of AS dx's not being valid.

lots of people point out that this is not the case.

some others spout nonsense about dinner ladies dx'ing etc.

and then you come on, say you have reason to suspect that OP is not genuine (which a lot of posters had been saying all along), and delete.

which just gives the opportunisitc trollers - the ones who pop up when these threads start, wholeheartedly agreeing - the chance to quote the crap that was psouted in future threads.

why can't you leave the thread, with a nice big banner across the top saying that MNHQ has reason to believe all is not genuine?

what good does it do to now have posters, who believed the OP of that thread to be genuine, now able to say 'oooh, I heard form a therapist once that s/he thought that As was over'-dx'ed, so that proves it is a made-up condition"

2shoes Fri 14-Jan-11 12:05:47

good point

3cutedarlings Fri 14-Jan-11 12:33:06

Excellent point

FlamingoBingo Fri 14-Jan-11 12:33:38

I agree - good point.

LoveBeingADaddysGirl Fri 14-Jan-11 12:36:16

Didn't realise that one got deleted, on what basis?

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 14-Jan-11 12:40:34

Well, we know from experience that people don't read entire threads - so leaving tosh up is a risky policy. Plus it always causes arguments, which is exactly what the troll is after, of course.

But we will look to see if it might be possible to change the message you get when you click on the deleted thread, so we can provide a bit of explanation. Will keep you posted.

Thanks for the input.

Niecie Fri 14-Jan-11 12:49:46

Can you not just stop people posting if you think it causes too many arguments. Put a notice on the top saying the thread has been frozen because you believe there is trolling and then leave it standing?

Somebody on the Aspie BS thread said that some of the posters only pop up to troll on such threads. No way will I remember who they are in the future so next time there is something similar I risk getting sucked in again. Leave it as a reference point.

FlamingoBingo Fri 14-Jan-11 12:50:45

I think freezing the thread, and putting a big 'this may be tosh' banner at hte top, would be fine, though.

silverfrog Fri 14-Jan-11 13:47:06

thanks Justine.

I don't think just changing the message when the thread is clicke don will work - I assume yu mean still deleting the htread, but then having a message appear that says "this thread was deleted because it was controversial"

that doesn't help counter the arguments (that crop up again and again) re: AS being fictitious, or over-dx'ed, or that DLA is easy to claim, or that many parents only want ot label their children to ge tmore money (I mean, ffs!)

with all due respect, you do leave lots of posts containing any old tosh up, day after day.

A nice clear warning across the top (and, if necessary, the bottom) would make more sense, imo. the one on the live webchats threads is hard ot ignore, for instance, purely because there are not many threads with big red warnings across the top of them.

I do appreciate that not everyone reads the whole thread (that is blindingly obvious when you are on threads like the one in question!), and that you will still get people arguing that black is white.

but this is not about stifling discussion, it is (sadly) about educating.

there were (erroneous) claims on that thread that:

AS/ASD children are all aggressive,
badly behaved,
fussy eaters,
that schools got more funding if the child had a dx
that it is easy to get your stroppy teen dx'ed with AS/ADD

amongst, no, doubt, many more.

deleting the thread leaves doubters with the memory of these claims but, (strangely hmm) no memory of the counter arguments.

so all deleting the thread does is strengthen the position of the (to use pagwatch's delightful phrase) cockmonkeys, by giving them room to "mis-rememeber" things they "once read somewhere", and gives the people who fight so hard day after day to get their children the help they need, nowhere to counter these arguments, until the next thread pops up full of the misconceptions.

tabulahrasa Fri 14-Jan-11 14:37:08

don't forget the...

once you've got a diagnosis you're entitled to benefits

which leads to...

parents pushing for a diagnosis for money

as I said in Special needs, I was in the middle of agreeing with silverfish that it should stay when it was removed

ChickensFlyingUnderTheRadar Fri 14-Jan-11 14:38:40

Maybe there could be a board for the 'frozen' threads. A sort of reference library of bullshit, if you will.

silverfrog Fri 14-Jan-11 14:52:48

ah yes, the "parents dx their children so they can get more money" line.

an odd one that.

dd1 has cost us (rough estimate) in excess of £70k so far she's only 6!), to get her statemented, in the right school, and educated while we fought the statement at tribunal.

and we don't claim DLA.

yep, loads of money rolling in there then...

that's why threads like that should stand. people should not be allowed ot get away with claiming htat parents only seek dx so they can claim mmore benefits - study after study has shown that households which include disable dpeople are more likely to be impoverished households.

tabulahrasa Fri 14-Jan-11 15:02:29

it's a weird one because people with no experience of it seem to think that a diagnosis makes someone entitled to DLA

I don't think people understand how it works at all, I genuinely think there's a lot of people who think it works like child benefit, have a child, get child benefit, get a diagnosis, get DLA...

Which is why I was trying to explain how it does work even though I knew the person saying it was saying for affect

aStarWithHerOwnWays Fri 14-Jan-11 15:06:48

Didn't see this thread, but I use another board that has a subforum like the one Chickens describes. If a thread gets out of hand with the personal abuse or is clearly nothing but trolling, the moderators lock it and put it in the bin. That way anyone can see what was posted by whom and, crucially, why it was deemed to be binworthy.

It is also a very funny place to have a look through at times blush

silverfrog Fri 14-Jan-11 15:07:06

yes, and that's another important message lost, only to have to be repeated again if when the next thread pops up...

the number of parents who have to appeal and go to tribunal to be able to claim DLA for their disabled children is ridiculous

pagwatch Fri 14-Jan-11 15:23:13

Perhaps we could get a cock monkey icon that could flash next to the thread title.

<<wishful thinking>>

I did love the culinary behavioural therapist though...

wukter Fri 14-Jan-11 15:26:40

What would a cock monkey emoticon look like, I wonder.....

pagwatch Fri 14-Jan-11 15:26:48

Thing is silver half the people that leap on to those threads have no wish to learn and will arrive gleefully every time. They get off on it and just name change (or not) and spout the same tosh every time.

I completely understand what you are saying but I , negatively I suspect, feel that these threads will always produce uninformed film flam that posters will never be persuaded out of. Because they like believing it.
It makes sense to them, makes then feel superior.


2blessed2bstressed Fri 14-Jan-11 15:44:15

Have posted on the SN topics page, but wanted to come here and add my voice to those saying that the thread should have stayed. I was one of the posters who has a child with autism - diagnosed by a team of professionals - who argued against some of the OP's preposterous rant. It was upsetting, but I think it should have stayed, so that more sane MNetters who may not have previously been aware, can get a better idea of some of the SHIT we have to put up with on a regular basis.

DanceInTheDark Fri 14-Jan-11 15:48:36

MNHQ can't put a banner up saying "This may be a load of bridge dwelling" because sometimes it is not trolling.

I do think that HQ shold bable to lock threads with a message that says, this thread has been locked, please respect MNHQ's decision and do not start other threads relating to this.

2blessed2bstressed Fri 14-Jan-11 15:54:18

Yes they can. If they say it may be a load of bridge dwelling, then that's fine. It may not be.
As for starting another thread relating to it - if there's no explanation, and no message, then what do you expect? People have invested time and thought into their responses and they're entitled to know what's happened.

DanceInTheDark Fri 14-Jan-11 16:18:01

It was just my opinion that it may do more harm than good.

I also wasn't having a go at people starting threads about threads, i suggested that HQ could ask that people don't start threads about a locked thread.

Please don't yell at me for my opinion!

2blessed2bstressed Fri 14-Jan-11 16:20:14


ReclaimingMyInnerPeachy Fri 14-Jan-11 16:45:21

It is a difficult one though isn;t it?

I know when ds1 was diagnosed that people like the OP on that one confirmed my view of myself as having caused the AS by shite parenting. MN is great as a source of info and debate but tehre is also the issue of those just learning of a DX passing by and how it might affect them.

Not sure which way I swing in all truth: maybe a red colour for the thread with a disclaimer so that people are alerted would be the best way.

Jux Fri 14-Jan-11 17:36:59

I think you could block further postings to the thread at the point at which you would normally pull it, and have it coloured a grotty poo-colour so everyone knows that it's an 'otherwise pulled' thread iyswim. You could have a special folder for troll threads or something.

Once smell-ovision is perfected, you could make them exude a mild poo-smell too.

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