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value added tables

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fishperson · 14/10/2008 18:59

Could someone tell me please where I can find the "value added" information for both state and private schools? Many thanks.

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Moomin · 14/10/2008 19:04

Try this site

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fishperson · 14/10/2008 19:19

Thank you Moomin - that's great for state schools. Doesn't seem to have info on the private sector or am I missing it?

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nkf · 14/10/2008 19:22

I don't think private schools use value added as a measure.

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fishperson · 14/10/2008 19:39

The Tormead (Guildford) Head talked about their added value last week and said the govt no longer allow them to post it on govt websites as the independent schools were so obviously adding more "added value" than state ones!

I think private schools still assess it but I don't know where you can access that info.

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Moomin · 14/10/2008 21:01

I would have thought that selective private schools wouldn't add that much value, relatively speaking, as their pupils are obviously of a higher academic standard when they enter the school(?) If they're picking pupils whose potential indicate A or A* in 5 years' time, then the value added would be 'even' wouldn't it?

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SqueakyPop · 14/10/2008 21:03

I teach in a private school and we have huge value added.

I think the official figures come from the University of Durham (ie through Pips, Midyis etc).

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asdmumandteacher · 14/10/2008 21:10

Bloomin value added has meant that in the grammar school in which i teach the kids are having to do rediculous amounts of GCSE's and early A levels just to hit even...14 GCSE's most of them are doing

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SqueakyPop · 14/10/2008 21:12

Sounds like you are not really adding value then

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asdmumandteacher · 14/10/2008 21:17

How do you mean? (am being poss a bit thick )The kids have to take so many GCSE's to show value added as if they took the standard amount it wouldn't show any added value (even if they achieved all A/A*)

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Moomin · 14/10/2008 21:19

Yes, I'd assume this as well, asd.
How do you add value when the potential and baseline data is already so high?

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asdmumandteacher · 14/10/2008 21:21

Thats it! By getting them to do as much as poss

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amicissima · 15/10/2008 10:08

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CountessDracula · 15/10/2008 10:12

surely it must be easier to add value in a selective school because you have a very narrow band of ability levels therefore you can target your teaching much more effectively. It must be easier to teach 20 children of a broadly similar academic level than 30 children with very varying abilities

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Moomin · 15/10/2008 16:36

The teaching doesn't really come into it unless GCSE classes are mixed ability which would be unusual. The value added traditionally comes from the school being able to harness a pupil's potential given a set of 'baseline' data that might predict where this pupil would be, if they continue making progress in the same way that they have done already.

If GCSEs only go up to A* and the pupils in Y7 were predicted to be able of those kind of passes given their achievement so far, then there's not much value-added to be had.... UNLESS, as asd says, you pile on extra qualifications and early entries and that sort of thing. That's when selective schools can show value-added. Most state schools will just be looking to get above the 1000 mark to show they have added more to a child's attainment than might have been expected.

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