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fishperson Tue 14-Oct-08 18:59:01

Could someone tell me please where I can find the "value added" information for both state and private schools? Many thanks.

Moomin Tue 14-Oct-08 19:04:30

Try this site

fishperson Tue 14-Oct-08 19:19:52

Thank you Moomin - that's great for state schools. Doesn't seem to have info on the private sector or am I missing it?

nkf Tue 14-Oct-08 19:22:45

I don't think private schools use value added as a measure.

fishperson Tue 14-Oct-08 19:39:56

The Tormead (Guildford) Head talked about their added value last week and said the govt no longer allow them to post it on govt websites as the independent schools were so obviously adding more "added value" than state ones!

I think private schools still assess it but I don't know where you can access that info.

Moomin Tue 14-Oct-08 21:01:14

I would have thought that selective private schools wouldn't add that much value, relatively speaking, as their pupils are obviously of a higher academic standard when they enter the school(?) If they're picking pupils whose potential indicate A or A* in 5 years' time, then the value added would be 'even' wouldn't it?

SqueakyPop Tue 14-Oct-08 21:03:13

I teach in a private school and we have huge value added.

I think the official figures come from the University of Durham (ie through Pips, Midyis etc).

asdmumandteacher Tue 14-Oct-08 21:10:57

Bloomin value added has meant that in the grammar school in which i teach the kids are having to do rediculous amounts of GCSE's and early A levels just to hit even...14 GCSE's most of them are doing

SqueakyPop Tue 14-Oct-08 21:12:19

Sounds like you are not really adding value then

asdmumandteacher Tue 14-Oct-08 21:17:52

How do you mean? (am being poss a bit thick wink)The kids have to take so many GCSE's to show value added as if they took the standard amount it wouldn't show any added value (even if they achieved all A/A*)

Moomin Tue 14-Oct-08 21:19:40

Yes, I'd assume this as well, asd.
How do you add value when the potential and baseline data is already so high?

asdmumandteacher Tue 14-Oct-08 21:21:17

Thats it! By getting them to do as much as poss sad

amicissima Wed 15-Oct-08 10:08:33

The older tables on the site Moomin linked to show values from some independent schools, although they seem to be giving up supply data for more recent years.

This site gives all sorts of interesting tables for schools by type, rather than individual schools.

Table 3, for example, shows that for 2004/5 all maintained schools achieved, on average, 986.1 value added, selective maintained schools 1019.9 and independent schools 1034.5.

This suggests that selective schools add greater value, on average, although they start with higher achieving pupils, so you would think they would find it harder to add value.

CountessDracula Wed 15-Oct-08 10:12:48

surely it must be easier to add value in a selective school because you have a very narrow band of ability levels therefore you can target your teaching much more effectively. It must be easier to teach 20 children of a broadly similar academic level than 30 children with very varying abilities

Moomin Wed 15-Oct-08 16:36:20

The teaching doesn't really come into it unless GCSE classes are mixed ability which would be unusual. The value added traditionally comes from the school being able to harness a pupil's potential given a set of 'baseline' data that might predict where this pupil would be, if they continue making progress in the same way that they have done already.

If GCSEs only go up to A* and the pupils in Y7 were predicted to be able of those kind of passes given their achievement so far, then there's not much value-added to be had.... UNLESS, as asd says, you pile on extra qualifications and early entries and that sort of thing. That's when selective schools can show value-added. Most state schools will just be looking to get above the 1000 mark to show they have added more to a child's attainment than might have been expected.

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