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2ndSopranos Tue 03-Jul-18 09:56:27

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Seeline Tue 03-Jul-18 09:59:56

Only if it is mentioned in the admissions criteria,. Some state schools do take a percentage of students on eg sporting ability, music ability etc so it is worth researching.

What is your DDs talent?

Trampire Tue 03-Jul-18 10:03:37

It totally depends on the talent and the way places are allocated.

There's a very sought after school in my city (although I personally didn't like it) where they award approx 20% of places for musical ability and the rest via lottery.

2ndSopranos Tue 03-Jul-18 10:05:27

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Soursprout Tue 03-Jul-18 11:10:52

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Floottoot Tue 03-Jul-18 11:35:58

Have you considered applying for a music scholarship at an indie school where music is a strength?
We were in the same position as you with DS, also musical. We applied for an indie school with an excellent reputation for music, knowing that he could only to if he won a scholarship, which would allow us to apply for a bursary. He was successful and is now finishing his first year there.
We never imagined that it was something that would happen, but he worked hard to get in and he has had a fantastic year. when we applied, the head of music emphasised that they looked for potential; DS has only been playing 3 years, so is only grade 6 standard now, whereas others in his year have already done grade 8 in one or 2 instruments.
JD is a good option (I went to a state secondary and JD) but it would be a shame not to do any music in school.

Dancergirl Tue 03-Jul-18 12:18:25

I would look at independents and what they offer in terms of scholarships and means-tested burseries.

2ndSopranos Tue 03-Jul-18 12:18:28

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Floottoot Tue 03-Jul-18 12:53:27

DS 's scholarship isn't worth much on its own BUT it allowed us to apply for a means- tested bursary. Even without a scholarshipq, some schools will offer the same. Yes, the application forms are intrusive and the bursary will look at every aspect of your finances, but it is absolutely worth looking into.
When we applied, DS had already been offered his place and scholarship, but schools now seem to ask for bursary applications at the same time as applying for the school, which may make it easier to manage expectations - D'S would have been devastated to have got in, only to have found out later we couldn't afford to send him.

TeenTimesTwo Tue 03-Jul-18 13:27:15

You could apply for school 2 as your first choice and school 1 second.

So you will be allocated school 1.
Then appeal for school 2 on the grounds that your highly talented DD needs their super music department. Nothing to lose provided you and your DD don't build up your hopes too much.

2ndSopranos Tue 03-Jul-18 16:41:46

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TeenTimesTwo Tue 03-Jul-18 16:53:00

When looking around school 2 note anything that could strengthen an appeal later. You will be ahead of the game as from what I can see here, many people only start scrabbling around for appeal reasons after they have been rejected not in advance. smile

Dancergirl Tue 03-Jul-18 17:06:47

Have you looked at other schools out of your borough that may have specialist music places?

2ndSopranos Wed 04-Jul-18 12:12:43

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TheFrendo Wed 04-Jul-18 13:34:27

What is it about the uniform at school 1?

PatricksViolin Wed 04-Jul-18 14:03:26

Actually you are lucky to have a musical DC as I personally think musical DCs tend to have many opportunities when it comes to choosing (very often academic) schools. I was in the situation similar to you - no suitable state options locally. Someone advised me to search out schools with a specialist place so I did and DS ended up securing a specialist place at 5 sought after state secondaries - 3 of them were for music. Until I was advised I was not thinking of looking further but if you don't mind a bit of journey you may find quite a few nice schools willing to give a place to musical DCs.

Plumsmith Wed 04-Jul-18 15:46:26

I would encourage you to send her to school 1. The children who live around you will be her class mates and she will always have a friend in easy reach. Music can be continued as an extra curricular activity if it isn't a strong point at the school. However the school may also not currently have any students who have such a strong musical ability and may really push and encourage this skill in her.

2ndSopranos Wed 04-Jul-18 16:18:42

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PettsWoodParadise Thu 05-Jul-18 08:54:32

DD does most of her music outside school which isn’t unusual. There are orchestras at the school and singing groups but these are mostly run by the girls rather than masses of involvement by teachers, some of the more polished groups have a bit more support from teachers but it doesn’t seem to be the be all and end all of music if it isn’t a major strength at the school.

motortroll Thu 05-Jul-18 09:19:22

@Soursprout I love your post. I agree completely with your school selection ethos and I can't tell you how sick I am of justifying my choice to send my child to a local secondary when I work in an increasingly popular, desirable school in the next town!

I know I've made the right choice and I'm
Confident my timid child will thrive there.

To the OP, I think you should go in gut instinct, you know your options, visit on open evenings, visit in school hours, read ofsted reports if you're concerned, find out exactly what the problem is. Ask the manager how they can cater for your daughters talents. They might work with one of the other schools that has better music facilities, this kind of collaboration is common or they could look at setting something up! Visit the music department/try have a meeting and ask! All teachers are subject enthusiasts so I'm sure they can suggest solutions.

Soursprout Thu 05-Jul-18 09:23:22

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PatricksViolin Thu 05-Jul-18 09:34:56

I like Soursprout's post too. smile

2ndSopranos Thu 05-Jul-18 10:27:22

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