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noblegiraffe Sat 10-Feb-18 12:38:53

Your school can't get a Spanish teacher to teach A-level? No worries, how about a 1 hour weekly webinar and 4 hours of working on an app?

Soon to be extended to maths, physics and any other subject the government can't be bothered to find a solution to the shortage of (like decent pay and conditions). Oh, and you'll be paying Pearson for it.

www.tes.com/news/school-news/breaking-news/exclusive-schools-consider-virtual-a-levels-dont-need-classroom

Julie8008 Sat 10-Feb-18 13:21:08

For sixth formers that actually want to learn I think it should work. High quality specialist content, where teachers never get sick or has a bad day. Students could re-watch lessons multiple times. Subjects where its not viable for the school to run the subject. Ear phones on and no distractions from other disruptive students. Pod casts to revise whilst on the go. Maybe even flexible lessons times. Quite a few possibilities.

I accept it would not work for all students but definitely for the ones who want to learn and go to university I could see the benefit.

noblegiraffe Sat 10-Feb-18 13:28:48

What worries me is the suggestion that a teaching assistant be employed to keep students on-task suggesting it's not actually that great.

Would you really want to risk one of your 3 A-level choices on a bit of software and the hope of self-motivation?

sonlypuppyfat Sat 10-Feb-18 13:30:18

Will the app be sarcastic and have class favourites?

noblegiraffe Sat 10-Feb-18 13:35:00

It'd have to be to adequately replace me.

noblegiraffe Sat 10-Feb-18 13:39:07

I remember hearing about a school that couldn't get maths teachers so they put all their kids in a massive computer room and made them work through mymaths instead, supervised by a teaching assistant.

Results were terrible.

jeanne16 Sat 10-Feb-18 13:41:54

The general view is that lots of professionals roles will be replaced over the next 10years. Teaching is just one of them.

Ll81 Sat 10-Feb-18 13:43:25

Apps would be better than the majority of secondary teachers I had.

It's all 6 of one half a dozen of another.

noblegiraffe Sat 10-Feb-18 13:44:35

I bet it would be the poor kids getting the apps, the best schools would still have proper teachers.

Quorafun Sat 10-Feb-18 13:46:43

Nothing surprises me anymore.

biscuit

noblegiraffe Sat 10-Feb-18 14:29:42

There should also be concerns that this is more handing over of education to private companies. Pearson has spotted a gap in the market (no teachers) and is selling its products and 'Pearson teachers' to schools to make up for it.

Alarm bells should be ringing as Pearson virtual schools in the US have performed poorly academically.

www.ft.com/content/d3c5d510-1aeb-11e7-a266-12672483791a

Julie8008 Sat 10-Feb-18 18:53:55

*What worries me is the suggestion that a teaching assistant be employed to keep students on-task suggesting it's not actually that great*Teaching assistants/non specialists are are already used to supervise A-Level self study, fortnightly assessment classes or periods when teacher is ill etc. Obviously it wouldn't work with students who cant stay on task. But plenty of children who take their studying seriously can stay on task, do want to learn and are peed off at the disruptive students wasting the teachers time.

Would you really want to risk one of your 3 A-level choices on a bit of software and the hope of self-motivation? Well it sounds not unlike the Open University courses but provided in a class room, if that was the case then yes I would definitely 'consider' it as an option and do further research.

I dont think 'mymaths' is specifically designed to provide the A-level syllabus (I could be wrong) but again there is a difference between forcing children to do it that way and a student choosing to do that course, in the full knowledge of how it is taught.

I bet it would be the poor kids getting the apps, the best schools would still have proper teachers. Would have thought it was more suitable for middle/high achievers?

Alarm bells should be ringing as Pearson virtual schools in the US Link is behind a pay wall. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't a Virtual A-level a far cry from a whole virtual school?

noblegiraffe Sun 11-Feb-18 14:20:19

Teaching assistants/non specialists are are already used to supervise A-Level self study, fortnightly assessment classes or periods when teacher is ill etc.

Really? Not in my school! I cannot believe that sitting for 4 hours on a Spanish app is going to be an adequate replacement for sitting in a class with other people speaking Spanish and a teacher on had to facilitate discussion and corrections.

The mymaths kids were being taught GCSE, not A-level, btw, and I can see this sort of thing being shunted into schools who can't hire maths/science teachers because it's easier than solving recruitment/retention issues.

And I said that this is more likely to affect poor kids because it is schools in disadvantaged areas who have the most problems in hiring staff.

Rosieposy4 Mon 12-Feb-18 18:34:51

Who is going to mark work, give personalised feedback, how do you get peer to peer interaction? Sounds bloody awful, poor kids.

TalkinPeace Mon 12-Feb-18 20:42:39

I have to admit that I can see a massive positive for teachers in getting an "App" to do the bulk of the curriculum cover
on the learn ~ test ~ repeat approach
and then the teacher picks out kids to do 1-2-1 for an hour on the bits THEY need

It would allow a teacher to run 30 kids at their full capacity without them getting bored
BUT
and its an utterly mahoosive but
its only appropriate for optional subjects - where the kids want o be there

at the lower levels its a recipe for disaster

Julie8008 Tue 13-Feb-18 00:42:10

Who is going to mark work, give personalised feedback...

Well I guess it will be easier in some subjects rather than others but I can definitely see AI being able to do that.

noblegiraffe Tue 13-Feb-18 00:53:04

If you're thinking about maths because it's either right or wrong, then think again!

TheDrsDocMartens Tue 13-Feb-18 07:11:10

If an A-level student isn’t motivated to work without a TA supervising then I’m not convinced how a virtual course will work for them.
Dd1s A level classes work alone if there is no teacher available.

Ll81 Tue 13-Feb-18 08:59:29

If computers can fly planes and drive cars im sure they can analyse someones work and give feedback just as good as an excellent teacher.

Rosieposy4 Tue 13-Feb-18 09:10:49

I’m not at all convinced of that, there is loads of unwritten knowledge from examining meetings, discussions with colleagues which would very impossible to replicate as well as all the exam analysis which of course a computer could do. Never mind the issue of reading handwriting and enthusing the students, giving them a passion for the subject.

BoneyBackJefferson Tue 13-Feb-18 09:20:04

sonlypuppyfat

don't worry you will still be able to whine about how shit it all is.

noblegiraffe Tue 13-Feb-18 09:23:01

LI81 spend a few hours doing homework on mymaths and you might change your mind!

BoneyBackJefferson Tue 13-Feb-18 09:57:45

noblegiraffe

I suspect that we are back to 'I know all about teaching because I went to school'

I have several classes that would rip this to shreds.

Julie8008 Tue 13-Feb-18 15:36:20

there is loads of unwritten knowledge from examining meetings, discussions with colleagues which would very impossible to replicate as well as all the exam analysis which of course a computer could do

But the unwritten knowledge could be written down, and computers are very good at learning, you only need to tell them once and then they all know forever, no need for the examining meetings.

TheDrsDocMartens Tue 13-Feb-18 15:59:54

What about the actual teaching? Sometimes you need different methods to learn something. A good teacher knows how to get things across.

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