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Renting a 2nd property to get a school place

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Sadmissions Wed 25-Oct-17 21:44:18

Parents in my DC's class have just announced they are moving into a rental property while they have some work done to the house they own and usually live in. This happily coincides with the Secondary School Application window and fortuitously puts them in catchment for a previously out-of-reach 'outstanding' school.

Clever things timing the renovations in this way! But a quick look at our County Schools Admissions website reveals: 'Examples of cases that will be fully investigated and applications withdrawn include: renting a property close to a popular school but retaining another property'.

Seems pretty clear but they're confident that a 12 months lease will give the Council all the comfort it needs - and another family pulled off a very similar move last year. Maybe this rule doesn't actually get enforced?

CamperVamp Thu 26-Oct-17 20:45:52

I guess it depends whether the LA or schools (where they are the admission authority) check council tax bills etc.

Or whether anyone grasses on them.

admission Thu 26-Oct-17 21:25:36

Obviously things change from one LA to another but I can confirm that in my LA they definitely do check. They will be paying rates on the other property and this will then come up as a big red flag that there are two addresses associated with the family. Also in my LA there are known rental properties near to popular oversubscribed schools which are red-flagged so if anybody applies from that address it comes up as a query

Whilst the parents might think they are safe with a 12 month rental, I would not be that sure, especially if it appears that the renovation work is unlikely to last more than 6 months.The LA may have to bit their tongue a bit and accept the situation to start with but it would be no surprise if they checked where the family were living sometime shortly after the March allocations came out. If they have moved back into the main property then they will definitely remove the place.

Strawberrybubblebath Thu 26-Oct-17 21:42:46

Could it be genuine?

polyjuice Thu 26-Oct-17 22:10:18

It’s not unusual to rent while having a big renovation and I know plenty of builds that go on for more than 12 months, so unless you have concrete proof I’d keep your suspicions to yourself personally!

tiggytape Fri 27-Oct-17 08:19:48

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

TheSecondOfHerName Fri 27-Oct-17 08:32:28

Schools are wising up to this. From the admissions arrangements of the school where I work:

"If a parent, with whom the child is resident for the majority of school nights, owns an alternative property within 20 miles of the school which has been the main family home within the last five years, a property closer to the school will not be accepted as the designated normal home address for the purpose of applying the admission rules, even if the former property is leased to a third party."

Sadmissions Fri 27-Oct-17 08:58:06

Polyjuice they're not my suspicions, the parents are quite candid about their motives. And unless their contractors are spectacularly incompetent, the work they intend to undertake certainly won't take 12 months. They're playing the system. And if I'm honest, I almost admire their willingness to move out of a more conveniently located, established family home into less comfortable accommodation to secure the school place. I wouldn't be prepared to go through the upheaval.

As in many areas, the system round here is terribly skewed with a small number of highly favoured schools flourishing while the remaining 'under-performers' stagnate because people are pulling every trick to avoid them. I can understand it, but I don't like it.

What I'm interested in is the LA's wording and its real life application. Thanks Tiggytape for all that info - we're Home Counties - maybe the rigour being applied in the capital will ripple out this way.

tiggytape Fri 27-Oct-17 09:15:21

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

prh47bridge Fri 27-Oct-17 13:26:58

Many councils don't even bother writing. They just use what they regard as the correct address without notifying the parents. In some cases the child still qualifies for a place at the preferred school so the parents believe, wrongly, that renting made the difference. In other cases the first parents know is when they don't get any of the schools near the rented address.

And, of course, a proportion of the pupils that leave a secondary school during Y7 have actually been thrown out because the admission authority discovered that the parents cheated. There isn't usually any song and dance made about it. The child just isn't there any more.

MissWimpyDimple Mon 30-Oct-17 19:16:47

Having renovations is fine. In that case they still need to apply from the main address.

Hate this sort of thing angry

In my experience they get away with it. Benefit fraud, school place fraud. All of it.

tiggytape Mon 30-Oct-17 19:30:11

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Sadmissions Thu 01-Mar-18 19:09:52

Well they pulled it off. Place confirmed today. Know lots of other kids living closer to the school than this family's real permanent address who didn't get offers. Wish I had the balls to report but resorting to bitching on Mumsnet instead.

Lotsofsighing Thu 01-Mar-18 19:18:30

Report them! There is a child out there whose place they have taken who might have really good reasons for needing/wanting the school. It's not a victimless piece of fraud.

Firefox1066 Thu 01-Mar-18 19:26:12

As frustrating and unfair that it is. You should only report them if you actually have evidence of the alleged fraud. Them boasting about it isn't evidence.

TeenTimesTwo Thu 01-Mar-18 19:37:39

I disagree Firefox .

If the OP reports them and it's all fine, then no harm done. Surely all that needs to be said is 'I have reason to believe family A claimed their address is X but to my understanding it is rented and they still own Y. Please can you check in case the wrong address has been used, as I would hate for another child actually living closer to have missed out.'

It is not up to the OP to have irrefutable evidence. They only need reasonable suspision to report.

TeenTimesTwo Thu 01-Mar-18 19:38:18

suspicion

MrsJoshDun Thu 01-Mar-18 19:40:29

Depends on the school or LEA. Round here it’s rife for the grammar school which is in a shit area with cheap rents. Nobody investigates and people don’t even bother moving in. Just pay the rent for six months.

People doing this caused dd to miss out in a place after passing the eleven plus (places allocated on distance once you’ve passed, not highest marks). Headmaster suggested that if I rented a house in town and showed them the paperwork I would move up the waiting list.

notmyredditusername365 Thu 01-Mar-18 19:42:16

Report them. It is not too late for that place to be withdrawn. I simply can't understand why anyone would be reluctant to report in those circumtstances - they are committing fraud! You can be anonymous and they will never know it's you if you are worried about that.

tiggytape Thu 01-Mar-18 19:48:29

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Arkestra Thu 01-Mar-18 19:49:53

I am another who would abolutely report them. If they have lied about retaining ownership of the original property then they have stolen a place from another child.

BeesAndChiscuits Thu 01-Mar-18 19:55:28

There’s another kid who missed out on a school place because of that family. State school places are supposed to be given fairly according to open and transparent admissions criteria. This family played the system so they could effectively buy a place at a better school. I’d report.

Smellylittleorange Thu 01-Mar-18 20:03:58

Purely out of interest (honest guv i dont have to do school apps anymore) could they have circumvented the system checks by moving to a different LA but dustance nearer or something (overthinking it!)

Viviennemary Thu 01-Mar-18 20:05:52

I'd report them to the LA. Don't let these chancers get away with it.

HootenannyHouse Thu 01-Mar-18 20:14:48

At least in our area this would be legitimate. If they moved out of their house they would need to use the address they are actually living at.

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