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Gcse targets & levels really are pie in the sky srn't they?

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AlexanderHamilton Sat 21-Oct-17 10:41:55

Year 11 Parents evening last night. Almost without expection were told by dd's teachers what her predicted target grades were but that they had decided to ignore them. She was given these targets back in Year 9. It's a good job she's not a sit on her laurels kind of girl.

English Target 8 current level 7 Achieving
Maths Target 7 current level 7 Exceeding
Biology Target 6 current level 5/6 Achieving
Chemistry Target 6 current level 6 Developing
Physics Target 6 current level 8 Exceeding
French Target 6 current level 6 Exceeding
RS Target 7 current level 7 Achieving
Music Target 6 current level 7 Exceeding

I could sense the teachers frustration with the system. In maths, English, music & RS she was told to aim for 8/9.

AlexanderHamilton Sat 21-Oct-17 10:48:20

It also gives us the dilemma in that a couple of 6th forms are asking for predicted grades on their application forms in one case it's consideration for a scholarship. Predicted targets of Grade 6 won't even get her an interview.

noblegiraffe Sat 21-Oct-17 12:29:39

Does her school not give predicted grades in addition to targets? It sounds like her target grades are computer generated bobbins, so there should also be space for a teacher-generated predicted grade.

That said, with the new GCSEs, predicted grades are quite difficult to assess so should also be taken with a pinch of salt.

I'd ask teachers for predicted grades to put on the application forms if the school doesn't already produce them.

AlexanderHamilton Sat 21-Oct-17 13:21:31

No. We've had a few verbal predictions which have mostly consisted of she should get at least a 7 or possibly an 8 & last year x got a 9 (in maths & English) & she could aim for that as she's that kind of student.

Anasnake Sat 21-Oct-17 14:08:52

She will have aspirational targets as well - usually +1 on forecasts. Ask the school for these ?
Also check if what you were given were predictions or forecasts as they're not the same. Also ask what the school's progress 8 will be measured against.

AlexanderHamilton Sat 21-Oct-17 20:53:54

Predicted grades on the report that we were given were based on CATS. There are just four columns an effort Grade, Target Grade, current level & developing, Achieving or succeeding.

BackforGood Sat 21-Oct-17 20:59:50

The targets generated by a computer been given their Yr6 SATs results are a load of poppycock of course, even before the fact the whole exam system has changed. It is completely ludicrous that teachers are judged against these sorts of generated physics.

In terms of predicted grades for 6th form applications, then ask the staff currently working with her to give you their predictions, otherwise it is meaningless. I mean, it is still going to be a guess at best as it is new and staff won't know, but they will have a slightly better idea than a computer working off tests they were given aged 10 or 11.

Changerofname987654321 Sat 21-Oct-17 21:01:42

Teachers have no idea how many marks you need to reach each grade. We are all guessing.

Soursprout Sat 21-Oct-17 21:03:23

Dd year 10 but sitting French and art this summer
Then the rest next year
Just had report and this time around they are giving current working at grades , predicted end of course grades and also target grades
I really feel for the teachers.. how the hell they are expected to predict it on so little data I do not know
Dd’s Grades all v good but I’m taking it all with a big pinch of salt

AlexanderHamilton Sat 21-Oct-17 22:38:10

Dd didn't do Year 6 SATS but she did get offered a place at a selective independent school. The CATS were done in Year 7 & again in Year 9.

pisacake Sun 22-Oct-17 00:59:39

DS has targets of A* across the board (private school where >90% of grades are A*/A, mostly not using 9-1 system). AFAIK this is based on his CAT scores which are very high. However he has SEN and IMO has little chance of getting A* across the board, as he is very weak at essay writing/comprehension type subjects.

Allthebestnamesareused Sun 22-Oct-17 16:00:34

pisacake you might be pleasantly surprised. In a school such as the one your DS is at you feel like he isn't good at those skills but when compared to the rest of the country you'll find after all he is!

pisacake Sun 22-Oct-17 16:41:25

Well his sister is a comparator and whereas her CAT scores are about 15-20 points lower, she is clearly much better at expressing herself. His specific processing difficulties don't show up on the CAT test at all.

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