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Pay in Private School

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starchildmum · 22/09/2017 20:24

Hi

I would like to know how much PPA time is the minimum for a part time teacher?

I have had a job interview this week and the school would like to pay me 0.6 % spread over 4 days. Apparently pay represents 66% of a full time teacher's timetable
( without PPA time).

I am furious as I believe I should also be paid for a bit of PPA time.
Am I supposed to do all extra duties i.e preparation and marking in my own time?

What is your view on this?

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BizzyFizzy · 22/09/2017 20:31

How many lessons would you be teaching?

Would it be four full days?

Would you have a form?

Would you have before and after school duties.

starchildmum · 22/09/2017 20:37

Hi 18/28 I think
2 full, 2 half ( not sure what the logistics of the half days are, would I come only for lessons or at a specific time?)
No form
No duties

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starchildmum · 22/09/2017 20:38

I think full time teacher has 28/35

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BizzyFizzy · 22/09/2017 20:43

I don't think what other teachers contracts are are any of your business tbh. If you don't have a form or duties, that is huge.

2 full/2 half days is 0.6. It is typical for a part time teacher to just come in for to start their first lesson, and leave after their last lesson, with non-contact time taking place in the free lessons that fall within those times. They aren't really called PPA, and you would be expected to cover.

On the face of it, the offering seems fair.

RapidStreaming · 22/09/2017 20:48

No duties and no is a big thing.

At the end of the day, its a private school. They could offer to pay you anything they like. Its up to you to either accept, negotiate or decline.

starchildmum · 22/09/2017 20:54

But I am not technically paid for covering!!
To me it seens unfair. 18 45 min lessons to prepare in my own time seems rediculous.
Sorry its actually 2 full, 1 semi full day ( not clear) and 1 half day

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BizzyFizzy · 22/09/2017 20:56

None of us are paid for covering. They come out of non-teaching time.

If you are going to nickel and dime, private school is not for you.

LIZS · 22/09/2017 20:59

Would you get perks such as staff discount on fees and uniform?

starchildmum · 22/09/2017 20:59

Yes, bizzi fizzi, Non teaching time a full time teacher has and which I won't have.

You are paid for non teaching time either way. Being on cover or marking or whatever.

If I have a free period invetween IT is NOT paid! You see my point!

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BizzyFizzy · 22/09/2017 21:02

When I was in charge of this kind of thing, I would allocate 1 free period to every 4 taught, so in your case that would round up to 5 free periods for 18 lessons, taking you to 23.

If your hours are 7 + 7 + 5 (say) + 4 say, that's your 23, and 23/35 is 0.66.

It sounds like they are being more than generous as you are getting away with no form, and all the other things that full-time teachers get sucked into.

starchildmum · 22/09/2017 21:03

And of course you are paid. A full time teacher is paid for the 'package' of duties which consists of treaching time, attending assemblys etc. and all the free periods inbetween which can be used for marking etc. Maybe the odd cover but still can be used fir marking and IS PAID!

I would not be paid for anything except teaching and surely I will need some hours to plan and prepare.

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BizzyFizzy · 22/09/2017 21:03

No, I don't see your point, but I don't have a state school mentality.

BizzyFizzy · 22/09/2017 21:05

Look at my 21:02 post. It explains how free periods are calculated.

BizzyFizzy · 22/09/2017 21:06

And Lizs - the two other massive perks: small classes and 18+ weeks holiday a year.

ohnowhatcanido · 22/09/2017 21:11

Working in a private school is a lot easier (generally) than working in the state sector. HOWEVER, things like PPA are less strict. Nobody I know other than maybe SMT has a set 'afternoon' off like my colleagues in state school do. I get a free lesson or two every day but by the time.ive cleared my desk and prepped the next few lessons I will often have a maximum of 20 minutes less.

Yes you will be expected to cover. I often have to relinquish my free lessons to dash across site and cover a lesson.

If you don't like the terms of the job, then turn it down. I expect there are plenty of teachers would sacrifice some of their PPA time in a state school for the overall preferable conditions of working in a private school.

ohnowhatcanido · 22/09/2017 21:15

I only get statutory maternity pay at my school, not a really decent package like state school teachers do. Some colleagues who have come from State school have been beyond shocked by this. Until they realise it means two things 1. Hugely reduced fees which is a much bigger financial gain than a few more months full pay during maternity leave. 2. That they are under no obligation to come back or repay anything. Much more freedom.

I suggest you look carefully into all aspects of working in the independent sector of you could be in for a little bit of a shock.

BizzyFizzy · 22/09/2017 21:16

You have to do your own displays and photocopying as well.

starchildmum · 22/09/2017 21:20

Of course I understand. I am not here to debate the big +++ of working in a private sector. I just want to understand why up to 20% of a full time teacher's t.t. at THIS school consists of paid free lessons?? I am given very full days so not much frees inbetween. So bad luck?

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BizzyFizzy · 22/09/2017 21:31

But proportionally, what you are getting is perfectly fair. You are teaching 18 lessons with 5 frees.

A FT teacher has 28 lessons and 7 frees (and a form, and everything else).

Your allocation is proportionate, as is your time in school.

Actually, looking at it, you have a great deal.

Ttbb · 22/09/2017 21:35

But other teachers are expected to do it on their own time aren't they? Of course being only part time you would also be less valuable to the school so you contract would likely be less favourable.

starchildmum · 22/09/2017 21:40

Tbb, great!
Its a 3K/ term school
Less favourable teacher is very nice

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BizzyFizzy · 22/09/2017 21:43

How about you tell us what a good contract would look like?

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applepinkierainbow · 22/09/2017 21:51

I work 21 lessons a week and full time staff work around 32 out of a 45 lesson week. My pay is calculated at below 50% as it is worked out of 45. I get no PPA time at all and am head of my small dept. I still do lunch/break duties BUT I don't do clubs/supervise supper/cover unless it is an emergency/boarding duties. The pay if I am honest is a bit rubbish but it is a lovely school with great kids and staff and I hope when my husbands job is secure to send my kids there and the discount will make it more palatable. I think if you are feeling this negative before an interview it might not be the right school for you.

starchildmum · 22/09/2017 21:54

As mentioned I don't have paid frees
Day 1 full
Day 2 full
Day 3 5 periods ( spead over a full day)
Day 4 half day

I also mentioned they will pay me 0.6 of full salary
But technically I am in for 3.5 days so should be 0.7 = 70 %

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Seti · 22/09/2017 21:55

If you're furious before you've even accepted the job then it's not the one for you.

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