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Sam Freedman wouldn't send his kids private

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noblegiraffe Sat 19-Aug-17 13:08:18

Because he went to a private school and had no idea that the world of working class people existed until he started working in education.

I guess it helps that he lives in London where the state schools are great.

(Posting this because I've seen people speculate on here about where he will send his kids).

AllTheWittyNamesAreGone Sat 19-Aug-17 13:27:50

Yes he would if he wasn't able to move selectively to get a good school place, bet they won't going to a requires improvement failing comp

noblegiraffe Sat 19-Aug-17 13:32:30

He would possibly be more the type to take over the failing comp and turn it around. That's what Teach First is about, getting good teachers into crap schools.

Lurkedforever1 Sat 19-Aug-17 13:42:42

Quite a few public figures seem to take this viewpoint. Not surprisingly I've yet to hear of any that send their dc to crap comprehensives.

noblegiraffe Sat 19-Aug-17 16:27:28

Crap comprehensives are in the minority, most people don't send their kids to one.

But if his aim with sending his kids to a state school is for them to mix with the working classes, he's not likely to get that from an exclusive comp.

BizzyFizzy Sat 19-Aug-17 16:28:19

Who is Sam Freedman when he's at home?

noblegiraffe Sat 19-Aug-17 16:44:39

Used to be head of research at the Independent Schools Council, then worked for think tank Policy Exchange, then was senior policy adviser to Michael Gove. Now in charge of research at Teach First. Big fan of Free Schools, campaigned massively against grammar schools.

His dad is Professor Sir Lawrence Freedman.

For someone who used to work for the ISC to say they wouldn't send their kids to a private school, it's an interesting character development.

BizzyFizzy Sat 19-Aug-17 17:02:17

So, he has an agenda?

DellaPorter Sat 19-Aug-17 17:11:09

I don't think it's at all fair to characterise TF trainees as good teachers 'going into crap schools'

noblegiraffe Sat 19-Aug-17 17:25:23

That's kind of the point of it though. Teach First is about addressing educational disadvantage. It takes the brightest graduates and gets them teaching for at least two years in schools that would normally struggle to attract good candidates. These schools are usually underperforming and have to be in areas of high deprivation. TBF calling them crap schools was wrong, I should have said challenging schools.

noblegiraffe Sat 19-Aug-17 17:25:46

Bizzy I don't think he has an agenda, I think he has developed a social conscience.

Lurkedforever1 Sat 19-Aug-17 18:12:19

Ok, not just crap schools, alsothose in deprived areas outside London with far less funding and less mixed intakes than on a city. Crap might not be a fair description for the dedicated staff of those schools doing their best in the circumstances but still not exactly desirable educationally. They don't tend to attract those with supposedly superior social morals either.

Zodlebud Sat 19-Aug-17 18:50:12

I blame his parents, not his education. It is perfectly possible to go to private school and still be worldly aware.

Mineshalfamilkstout Sat 19-Aug-17 18:53:17

I would cynically guess that his kids will go to one of the best schools and he'll be able to pat himself on the back bigly.

Anyway I wouldn't let it influence my own decisions.

noblegiraffe Sat 19-Aug-17 19:00:49

He's a governor of a secondary school in Tottenham, with well above national average levels of PP and EAL students.
It's Ofsted Outstanding and gets excellent results.

I assume he would be happy for his kids to go there? Would it then be slated as it's outstanding despite a challenging intake?

DellaPorter Sat 19-Aug-17 19:12:09

The school I worked in that was most involved with TF was an outstanding inner London school.

cowgirlsareforever Sat 19-Aug-17 19:21:59

I don't know why anybody wouldn't send their child to a state school in London because they get a far better pupil premium than the rest of the UK as well as generously funded museums, theatres etc.

DriftingDreamer Sat 19-Aug-17 19:27:18

Just had peak at Woodside High School.
A very successful school which also has high number of children attracting pupil premium.

EssentialHummus Sat 19-Aug-17 19:45:21

I'm not sure what to make of this (and had no idea who this guy was prior to this thread). A few things that come to mind:

I had the same experience as him at a (foreign) private school, and feel the same re my own children's education.

Like a lot of people in London I've ended up buying a home with an eye on the local schools, so there's a large element of selection by house price - where does this chap live?

My children will have (touch wood) two educated, engaged parents with the financial resources to support their education either with extra-curricular stuff or with additional tutoring etc (like this guy) - so even leaving aside the point just above, if they did end up at Grime Street Comp (Tottenham Edition), with poor teaching I expect they'd get the grades to reflect the added value that their parental background offers.

VeryPunny Sat 19-Aug-17 19:50:14

I'd be more impressed if he were involved with a school in the arse end of Ballygobackwards, rather than in London where they have far more money and engaged parents.

dumbledore345 Sat 19-Aug-17 20:03:47

With a family background like his, his DC will do well wherever. Family background - not school sector- has always been the biggest determinant of academic success.

His kids will access a first class state school. They will get private tuition if/when required. They will live in a warm, comfortable home full of books, with engaged parents and interesting conversation. Their holidays will be full of enrichment activities. When they leave school family connections will ensure appropriate work experience etc.

Why on earth would he spend money on private schools?

noblegiraffe Sat 19-Aug-17 20:08:31

Lots of people spend money on private schools even when excellent state schools are available.
David Cameron was going to whip his kids out of state the minute he quit as PM wasn't he?

FanDabbyFloozy Sat 19-Aug-17 20:12:28

@noblegiraffe - did he actually switch his daughter's school? I thought she was still there, along with Gove's daughter.

noblegiraffe Sat 19-Aug-17 20:21:19

Don't know about his DD, but newspaper reports from last year suggested that his son would be going to a prep school this September once he finishes primary. Of course they don't need to worry about getting the girl into Eton!

BizzyFizzy Sat 19-Aug-17 20:24:54

I send my children to the best schools I can. For me, that is private.

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