My son missed alty boys by 2 marks.I want to appeal

(17 Posts)
Nosheen123 Sat 23-Jan-16 20:38:36

Hello,
My son passed stretford grammar but missed Altrincham grammar school for boys by 2 marks. We are out of catchment for stretford but we are in the catchment for alty. Our first preference is alty and we would like to appeal against this decision. I have many reasons to appeal and also my elder son studies there too. Can someone help me regarding appeal
Thanks

Stillunexpected Sat 23-Jan-16 22:14:15

What are your reasons for appealing? Your other son going there won't make any difference.

Buttercup27 Sat 23-Jan-16 22:15:42

Sorry but there has to be a cut off somewhere. I don't think appealing would do any good.

IguanaTail Sat 23-Jan-16 22:16:07

Do you know if the headteacher already appealed?

tiggytape Sun 24-Jan-16 16:54:24

For selective state schools in general there are 2 elements to a parent's appeal for a school:
non qualification and over subscription.

So in other words, you first have to convince the panel that your son's result is not a true or accurate reflection of his actual ability and that his non qualification is an anomaly. To do this you will need a lot of evidence to prove a very high academic ability i.e. irrefutably above and beyond what the grammar school would expect. In order to satisfy the panel that your DS is of selective ability, you are probably going to need to provide evidence that he is significantly ahead of what's expected for his age. Some people use verified levels from school, some people have an Ed Psych report done to prove this. Occasionally people have other evidence for this part of an appeal eg a child who suddenly became ill in the test so coud not complete it or a child who suffered a bereavement a month before that dramatically affected their grades which only later recovered.

Assuming you can satisfy the panel that your son is of selective ability, the next step is to overcome objections based on the school being full (probably with a waiting list as well). Again, it is possible to do this but you will need a strong case to show why this school (not just any old grammar - but this one in particular) best meets DS's needs and his interests. So if this school is the only one that can offer certain GCSEs that he'd want to do or if he is very musical and it's the only one with an orchestra or is the only one that can meet certain medical or social needs, that all helps.

The school will argue that it is already full. It may have a strong case for this (tiny classrooms and over numbers already) or a weaker case (year 7 not overly full and they've coped with higher numbers in other year groups).

The panel will decide who'd be disadvantaged most - the school being forced to take another pupil or your son not being able to attend (assuming selective ability is accepted as part of the appeal).
If they think you'd lose out more than the school, you will win the appeal and an automatic place.

tiggytape Sun 24-Jan-16 16:55:48

To add - you cannot appeal yet. You have to wait until March when you will be officially denied a place. At that point you can submit your written case and the appeal will be heard in spring or summer.

admission Sun 24-Jan-16 19:24:27

Not sure why you are raising this issue now. Assuming that you are talking about son joining in year 7 in September you should have been notified of the result of the 11+ by the end of October, so that you could make appropriate adjustments to the CAF by the 31st October.
If you had queries about the test score then you should have raised them then as it would have given sufficient time for further consideration before now, when in reality nothing can happen about it.
Having not achieved the required mark you simply will not have been considered for a place at the school.
Probably your best bet is to contact the school now and enquire about the results and try to start a dialogue about it. If before the 1st March you can agree with the school that there were extenuating reasons why your son did not reach the required standard and secondly why you have not previously contacted them then that is a positive.
As Tiggytape says you will then have to wait until after the 1st March and then you can appeal. If you do get agreement that your son was of the required standard then that will be a positive at the appeal but there will always be many parents who believe their children are of grammar school standard, who do appeal. Most are disappointed by the outcome of the appeal.

Nosheen123 Sun 24-Jan-16 19:47:58

Thanks for the responses and I am planning to appeal after first of March after my son has been denied place as I contacted school for rechecking of marks but they refused and informed that all results are checked twice
I was pregnant and had baby in same week of exams and was quite unwell and had to attend Number of appointments and ended up having emergency caesarean within a week and his father was in different city due to work
He is also being supported from primary school as he has improved remarkably in last year and has good reports from school
He was born on 23 August and is the smallest in class
I have also spoke this class teacher and he is also happy to help and help in appeal process
I am also planning to talk to a solicitor if it is of any help?

namechangedtoday15 Sun 24-Jan-16 20:03:44

Have you read the policy? I only ask because a review will already have taken place before the results were sent out in October.

My DS also took the test. You needed 334 as a "qualifying score" so I assume your son got 332. Any papers with scores from 320-333 are reviewed (they look at overall performance in the 3 papers, plus the English piece they write on the day but doesn't form part of the score). If the panel thinks the child should be upgraded, the score is increased to "334R" - ie a qualifying score. That's all done before the letters were sent out.

I only set that all out because it suggests that the internal review didn't think you son should be upgraded. You'll therefore need to go through the process Tiggy sets out but I imagine the evidence of academic ability will need to be very strong.

I think the Altrincham Grammars are notorious for only have a very small number of successful appeals because there are waiting lists of children who do pass.

Good luck, there is a website called elevenplus and there is a page of the Forum specifically relating to appeals.

namechangedtoday15 Sun 24-Jan-16 20:05:41

P.s. should have added that the raw scores are already standardised to reflect age - so they'll already have adjusted it for his August birthday.

Squashybanana Sun 24-Jan-16 20:08:55

Stretford Grammar is a lovely caring small school that works incredibly hard with their children. He will be more than fine there.

namechangedtoday15 Sun 24-Jan-16 20:21:56

The OP is out of catchment for Stretford. I don't know their policy as well - do they offer on score out of catchment? If so, do you think he scored high enough to get a place?

Squashybanana Sun 24-Jan-16 20:24:58

Stretford is less popular than the other grammars and doesn't have a strict catchment as far as I know. Its distance criteria is usually a couple of miles these days I think.

Squashybanana Sun 24-Jan-16 20:31:24

Yes confirming 8 miles for 2012 entry, 2.9 miles for 2013 entry and 2.2 miles for 2014 entry.

namechangedtoday15 Sun 24-Jan-16 20:41:31

Just looked at Stretford ' s policy. They offer the first 20 places to the highest scorers irrespective of distance - OP, do you think your son might be in this category?

Looks like the distance of boys who got places is shrinking - Trafford ' s website says the furthest place was 2.03 miles from the school in 2015.

Nosheen123 Fri 29-Jan-16 19:15:56

I really appreciate for the suggestions and advices to make the chances of appeal being more successful
I have already contacted the school for internal review after the results came out
I was told to appeal the decision after palaces will be allocated in March so I am waiting for the admissions to be granted
I have also contacted primary school head teacher and class teacher and they are happy to help in appeal process
I got an optimistic response from school as my son has shown a huge improvement in class in last two years since joining school
We moved from Ireland and he was moved up two classes in UK and was in the lowest set but has moved to highest set this year !
I am assuming it may be helpful during appeal procedure
Thanks again for informative posts

Brightnorthernlights Sun 31-Jan-16 22:22:30

Can I ask what the basis of your appeal would be? It appears his papers would have already been reassessed. I knows it's very difficult but there does have to be a cut off and I'm sure the school has plenty of boys who met the qualifying mark on the test. His age has already been taken into consideration. Was he ill on the day of the test?

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