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hornetgirl Thu 15-Oct-15 20:37:52

Done it, CAF submitted for year 7 places. Now the long wait until March 1st 2016. Anybody else pressed the submit button yet?

Camembertie Fri 16-Oct-15 10:02:20

Just done - still sure I've made the wrong choices, and still know it's pointless as my son was one of 240 kids in my part of borough that did not get a primary place and so they ended up putting in 8 bulge classes, many of which feed directly into secondary schools.

They have not created one extra secondary place to accommodate them, so whilst we have chosen what we want we will be lucky to get anything.

Hate this illusion and idea of choice sad

ChippyMinton Fri 16-Oct-15 10:06:46

It's not choice, it's preference. But I wish you all luck, having been through this for the last 3 years.
Remember that offers day is not the end of the process if you don't get your prefered school. Waiting lists can and do move. smile

SoImpatient80 Sun 18-Oct-15 19:47:27

Yep SCAF submitted here too. We should be fine as we have an older child at the school we want and sibling is high up on the admissions criteria, but its still going to be a nail biting wait until March!!

PettsWoodParadise Mon 19-Oct-15 22:13:30

I submitted mine on Saturday afternoon so I could celebrate with a glass of wine. It was a weight off my shoulders. It was a three way decision made between DH, myself and DD. Before I hit submit I kept annoying DH with information on where the login details were to get test results and access eAdmissions as I kept worrying 'what if...'. Where have all those years in primary school gone that our DCs will soon be moving on?

Devilishpyjamas Mon 19-Oct-15 22:17:51

Yep.Is the birth rate much higher this year then? I thought it was the current year 3's where it exploded.

steppemum Mon 19-Oct-15 22:33:20

done.
we are in the lucky position of knowing that we will get our first choice.
The whole process is so nerve wracking

steppemum Mon 19-Oct-15 22:40:28

we were told that it was a low birth rate year.

But in a way that is irrelevant, the issue is how many kids of that age in your catchment area.

so eg our year 3 and year 2 have bulge classes, not due to birth rate, but due to new housing estate that they forgot to plan school for, because they didn't expect so many families to move into 2 bed starter homes. hmm

PettsWoodParadise Mon 19-Oct-15 23:33:53

I don't know about birthrate but do know that they keep building houses and more and more families are moving into the area (because it is so lovely of course!) and whilst they've focused in creating extra primary places the pressure is starting to filter into secondaries. Four years ago my house would have been in catchment for two regular comprehensives that we would have been delighted for DD to go to, but our closest comp now goes out 1.01 mile which is about 400 yards too far away for us, the other school also a similar distance away is selective so we've gone through all the eleven plus palaver, fortunately with good results.

Electrolux2 Tue 20-Oct-15 11:27:59

My daughters class has always had places. It's the only year group in the school that does, I believe this is the case across county as when I was changing schools for both children a few years ago, most had places in her year but not in my sons who is a year older.
I'm holding on to that meaningless piece of information and hope it does correlate into a low birth year and therefore more like to get the preferred school

G1veMeStrength Tue 20-Oct-15 11:32:06

Ours is done. I have no idea which school we are likely to be offered.

School A is my fave
School B is DC's claimed fave where his friends are applying for
School A is DC's secret fave (imo)

If we are offered School A I think we could decline it and still get a place as School B but not the other way round. I think.

Who bloody knows. confused

Electrolux2 Tue 20-Oct-15 11:35:54

Not that we can fill in the form yet as we don't have the results still

tiggytape Tue 20-Oct-15 11:37:57

If we are offered School A I think we could decline it and still get a place as School B but not the other way round. I think.
NO! (deliberate shouting there)
You get your offer and that's it.

If you don't like it, you (usually) automatically go on the waiting lists of any schools higher on your form than the one you got offered
But you have to ask to go on the waiting lists of any schools lower than the one you are offered.
And you may or may not get in from the list.

But it isn't ever the case that if you turn down an offer, you will get another one automatically. You could end up with no school at all if you do that

G1veMeStrength Tue 20-Oct-15 11:49:53

Thanks Tiggy! Sorry!!!

To clarify -

School B always has spare places.

I think we are unlikely to get School A.

So if we did get lucky and get an offer for School A that's why I think we/he could ask for a place at School B instead. Then turn down School A.

Gawd I hope that makes sense?

tiggytape Tue 20-Oct-15 11:52:20

Yes that makes perfect sense.
If you ask for a place at any school that has spare places (and no list of people who want them) then you are certain to get an offer.

For many people it won't apply because, in oversubscribed areas, even the schools that fewer people put on their list still tend to get full up by March (because councils allocate these less popular schools to the people who didn't get any of their preferences).

tiggytape Tue 20-Oct-15 11:54:10

it is a nice position to be in though as you know the best case scenario is A and the worst case scenario is B and you possibly have the chance to make a last minute change if you want to as well.
Being virtually guaranteed a 1st or 2nd preference makes the whole thing much less stressful!

G1veMeStrength Tue 20-Oct-15 12:16:19

Thanks Tiggy, really appreciate your reply. Yes we are fortunate. I still think it takes a stupidly long time though. Especially as we are in 11+ area with all the gubbins that adds to the procedure.

Have put a lot of effort into being low key and chilled, and positive about all the options, in front of DC... then discovered another mum has been interrogating them every week on the way to an activity. Perils of a lift share. angry

harryhausen Tue 20-Oct-15 12:41:27

I've just submitted in the hope of getting it off my mind, only to find out I can still change the order of preference up to the deadline date! Gah.
I'm still not sure which school to put first. At the moment we have -

1st school - Average but rapidly improving comp. Dd's favorite (I liked it too). Not our nearest comp but a fairly good chance of a place. Not certain though.

2nd school - different LEA but still not too far. Better school results wise. Lots more school friends will go. Fairly good chance of a place but not certain.

3rd school - ok school catchment school. Just didn't find it very inspiring.

Both dd and I are still contemplating swapping first and second choices up to the deadline. I will be quite disappointed to get School 3 if honest. Although the odd pupil has done well there, I just didn't get a great vibe.

I live in a non-grammar area so at least we don't gave the added stress of that. However I will be a barrel of nerves by March. There's a huge part of me telling myself I'm mad not to put the higher achieving school first. I wish I was sure.

tiggytape Tue 20-Oct-15 13:31:14

One thing that doesn't matter when deciding which school to place 1st and which to place 2nd is how certain of a place you are at either of them.

If you don't meet the criteria for your 1st preference, then your 2nd preference becomes your new "first choice"

There is no risk about which order you place them in. Some people believe that schools fill up with people who put them first. This is not the case. Schools fill up with people who meet the admissions criteria best (usually by living closer than other people) and with people who listed that school on their form either 1st or below other schools that they didn't qualify for.

Devilishpyjamas Tue 20-Oct-15 15:30:57

So many schools come out with that 'you have to put us first as we're so popular' crap as well. I raise my eyebrows & mutter 'equal preference' under my breath grin

harryhausen Tue 20-Oct-15 17:02:09

Thanks Tiggy, I'm always relieved when I see your info x

Can I ask though. Only last week did a headmaster of a very popular over subscribed school in the South West tell me that I must put his school first if I wanted any chance of getting a place. This is just bull yes? What happens with the preferences when a school is so over-subscribed they can just fill up all their spaces with first choices? Is it obviously just purely co-incidence that naturally most people do put them first?

Every school I visited over the last few weeks said they were over-subscribed so be careful with preferences. It's all a bit nuts.

tiggytape Tue 20-Oct-15 18:47:33

Can I ask though. Only last week did a headmaster of a very popular over subscribed school in the South West tell me that I must put his school first if I wanted any chance of getting a place. This is just bull yes?
Yes it is - completely.

The school doesn't even know where you put them on your form.
Unless you end up appealing after March, they never find out either.

A longer explanation of what happens:

1. After all the forms are submitted, the school gets notification that harryhausen (and 1000 other people) have named the school on her form.

2. If they do their own admissions, they also get told where you live, if you have siblings, how often you attend church or whatever else they need to know to place every applicant in order. They do not however get told where you placed them on your form. That is never part of the oversubscription criteria - ever - so they never need to know and are not told.

3. They draw up a list putting the children in order.
At the top are those who meet the highest admissions criteria (i.e. children in care usually).
At the bottom are the least qualifying ones last (those with no siblings who live miles and miles away and meet no other criteria).
It is neither possible or permitted for them to adjust your position on that list for ranking the school as your first preference - they simply don't have the information to be able to do it even if they wanted to.

4. The list goes back to the council who do know your preferences.
They see that your child is 58th on that school's particular list.
So you qualify for a place and will get offered a place - even if you ranked the school last on your form.

5. The only thing that will stop you getting a place is if one of the schools you placed even higher on your form is also able to make you an offer due to you being near the top of their qualifying list as well. This can happen where a child meets faith or 11+ criteria for lots of different schools for example.

6. The people who were bottom of the popular schools list - the ones with no siblings who live 15 miles away - they won't get in to the popular school even if they place it 1st. They don't qualify so no matter how much they love i, every one else gets priority over them.

7. If a school only fills its places with people who ranked them 1st it is because all the people who qualified for a place (due siblings / distance / 11+ score / faith etc) happened to place that school as their 1st preference. If it is a popular school it is natural it will be the 1st choice of a lot who get in and a lot who don't. It may also be many are pressured into placing it 1st who wouldn't have done so otherwise.

harryhausen Tue 20-Oct-15 19:36:19

Tiggy, that's brilliant. Thanks for explaining in such detail. I feel like this is the sort of thing that each LEA should have on their website, or schools should give a similar explanation on a printout around September each year. It would cull so many playground myths.

tiggytape Tue 20-Oct-15 19:40:47

All councils will have an explanation about equal preference but, as you say, playground rumours tend to carry more weight. Especially when competitive Head Teachers wade in to hint that they are true!

I've seen some councils do a FAQ or Myth Buster page in more recent years dealing with the issue that schools don't fill places from 1st preference applicants. The trouble is it is buried in lots of other info.

prh47bridge Tue 20-Oct-15 23:06:44

Only last week did a headmaster of a very popular over subscribed school in the South West tell me that I must put his school first if I wanted any chance of getting a place

I get really annoyed about head teachers who make this kind of statement. It is rubbish. Either he doesn't know how the system works or he is deliberately misleading parents in an effort to make his school appear more popular.

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