Politics or Psychology A level? *edited by MNHQ*(36 Posts)
OP thanks for the update!
Maths A level isn't crazy hard so long as you are good at maths - sounds like your son is. And it's a nice contrast to essay subjects as well as being in my biased view the most valued one by employers.
I teach Psychology (picked up psychology after years of teaching Biology A level) and really enjoy the content as do most of the students. It might be good if he borrowed a copy of the AS textbooks and have a flick through to see if he likes it as many students have a misconception as to what they will be studying in psychology.
It is very essay based in the A2 though.
DT might be useful for some careers. In the broader academic sense though, not so highly regarded.
I think economics has really changed and is now very mathematical in most places. It doesn't need to be - it's just part of economists fooling themselves it's a science . I write as a mathematician who studied economics as it was like real life maths and in the end concluded it was all politics really.
So does this help OP - I guess what we are saying is if your DS has an inkling of what he might study later this should drive his subject choice. I would say politics not pyschology but if he is good at maths consider that instead. Most universities will rate that higher she said in a broad generalisation!
And Reddidi re my DS he got that reaction on open days and at a UCAS fair early in his lower sixth so his UMS wasn't relevant at that stage. And I don't know what it was in fact...all turned out well as with more experience under his belt he realised his heart lay in something different and he will be studying that at Cambridge from October this year.
OP since your DS is looking at a 4th subject I don't think it matters. I would find out the exam board for both subjects and have a look in detail at what is covered. That might help him choose.
My DS is also undecided career wise and I have tried to advise him so as as to keep his options as open as possible. He has actually applied to do 5 subjects, Maths 3 sciences and computer science. The sixth form have said he can make his final choice in August. I think he will probably do four AS and 3 A2 though.
As to Further Maths. It's very tough. DS1 is doing it and he reckons there has been a huge drop out rate. Many GCSE A* students have struggled with Further Maths.
As others have said you don't need FM at most Unis for a Maths degree but if your school offers it you would certainly be expected to take it for the top unis.
Yes, an another poster said, Economics courses will never require Economics to do the degree,but they may make Maths a requirement. That is why maths is a facilitating subject and Economics is not.
If your kids are not being told this info when choosing A Levels, you need to speak to the Careers Dept or whoever gives them advice about choosing. Schools which get high numbers into RG Unis make sure their kids know this stuff. The RG is circulating info to make sure it isn't only kids in the nice middle class or private schools that get the info.
If you haven't got the right combination of subjects, you are excluded from certain subjects whatever your ability. Doors are closed. This in itself is not shocking, but the fact kids don't get told or don't have it really emphasised to them is shocking.
Also surprised working it as my dc is at warwick doing Econ and didn't do further maths. Mind you he's finding the maths side tough and wishes he had done it. Most of the others have FM and A* single maths - he has neither. Not sure how he got in really!
"My husband is a politics teacher. His advice is if he doesn't like essays don't do politics. Or economics or geography! He says that pyschology and politics are both well regarded by unis but politics is more established and more traditional. His bottom line is, you don't like essays don't do politics."
Exactly this. In fact Psycholgy can be quite essay based with some exam boards. For these subjects "isn't really keen on essays" is a really bad thing to say, not just at A level but for a degree in anything except a STEM subject, essays are what it is all about!
That's interesting WorkingItOutAsIGo, didn't used to be the case. Shows how important it is to contact admissions tutors early in Y11.
I'm still surprised though, what was his UMS mark at AS?
OTOH again if you are can handle further maths it is an excellent choice because (1) further maths is a much better indicator that you can handle the maths in a degree course with mathematical content, A level maths doesn't go far enough and (2) there is some overlap between the courses so much of the work you do in further maths strengthens your ability in maths.
Warwick laughed at him, as did Oxbridge! And I do mean literally. It may not be an explicit requirement but it is expected, especially if you come from a school where it is offered and you could have done it.
He didn't know at the stage he selected that he would be interested in applying for economics so it didn't occur to him it mattered.
OTOH Maths at A2 is often required, sometimes with A*.
"My DS did this same combo at A2 and fell in love with economics but couldn't get in as he didn't have further maths. So you do have to plan ahead really early, even before you've started!"
Couldn't get in where? I think it's only LSE that requires further maths for economics and then only at AS. How about Oxbridge, Warwick, UCL ...?
My DS did this same combo at A2 and fell in love with economics but couldn't get in as he didn't have further maths. So you do have to plan ahead really early, even before you've started!
Would also confirm that it is very good to do maths with Econ. Very hard on a good Uni course to do Econ without maths. At Uni it is very mathsy and you would be foolish to try to do such a course without maths A level. It isn't very mathsy at A level.
So important kids get the right advice when choosing A Levels. The RG have done research and produced documents to show kids and parents what RG Unis want, so they can make I formed choices. Unfortunately being told 'choose exactly what you like best, in whatever combination you fancy' is not helpful advice. Kids need to know how to keep door open.
Just to point out that your post title is misleading, as it sounds like the choice is between politics and economics.
People wanting to go to RG Unis are advised these days to have 2 of the core subjects (Eng, Maths, Hist, Geog, Lang, Sci) which are known as facilitator subjects. If they have these 2 , having a third non facilitator is fine as long as well regarded. Both Economics and Politics would fall into this category. So at A2 if you are down to 3 subjects at that point ideally you don't want more than 1 non facilitator and you need to make sure it is well regarded. Choosing 4 for AS is important, because you don't know what you will drop, but will ideally not want to be left at A2 with 2 non facilitators.
Facilitating subjects are those which can be a requirement to do certain Courses. The reason Econ and Pol are not facilitators, is not because they are academically inferior, but because to do those at Uni, you don't actually require an A level in them. If you are applying to do Econ or Pol these would be regarded well, as would they if applying to do something else, but should be balanced with other academic facilitators.
If you are not interested in RG or Oxbridge, it's not such an issue.
Essays are a necessary evil though. He might not like them but if he learns to do them well it will stand him in good stead.
I'm an accountant now and the one area candidates let themselves down is in their written skills.
People who do economics beyond A level have to like Maths and want to do it. Further Maths would be better than anything else. If he does not like essays, some of these subjects will not be suitable for him at university where essays will be required.
I would do psychology then. It gives a broader range.
Both economics and geography cover some politics
My husband is a politics teacher. His advice is if he doesn't like essays don't do politics. Or economics or geography! He says that pyschology and politics are both well regarded by unis but politics is more established and more traditional. His bottom line is, you don't like essays don't do politics.
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