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Have other people been openly critical of your choice of school?

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mychildmychoice · 24/10/2013 11:02

I live in an area where the local secondary school has been "failing" for a long time. Been in special measures twice in the last few years. Several changes of head teacher. In the year of entrance for my DS the school was the second from last in 5 GCSE's at A*-C including English and Maths in the LEA.

I attended all the local comprehensive open evenings etc with DS and weighed up the options. The local school would have provided local friends, no travelling and the money spent on bus fares could have paid for private tuition if necessary.

What really became the deal breaker for me was when the head teacher at the local secondary told the audience at the speech at the open evening that parents were "fighting" to get their kids into the school. They didn't publish the A*-C results including Eng and Maths (20%). I felt that the "dishonesty" wasn't what I wanted for my DS.

I sent him to the next local comprehensive, a 20 min bus ride away. He attends with 2 double decker bus loads of other local kids whose parents have chosen the same school. There are also many other kids who go to other schools outside the area. He's been there for 5 years and I'm happy with his education, as is he. I have never pushed my opinions onto anybody. My DSD who lives with me attends the local school and it has improved greatly in 5 years and she is doing reasonably well (she is very intelligent) there but I do think there are still difficulties with the school and her choice of GCSE options was limited and despite being told she would studying for 2 particular GCSE's (not her choices) they have now been dropped after a year of study. Despite my feeling that she is not stretched enough, I have been nothing but positive about her schooling to her and to anyone who discusses it with me. I point out all the positives of the local school, of which there are several, of course.

However, I am sick to death of people who send their kids to the local school being overly defensive and often downright rude to me about my choice of school. Even one of my best friends keeps on banging on about how well her dd is doing at the local school and keeps on dropping into conversation how she hears of x y or z's kid who is being bullied at DS school or how the maths dept is "not very good" at DS school or how the ofsted report wasn't very good at DS school. I have never even discussed her dd school ofsted reports which have been 3's or 4's for many years now! I often hear parents saying how if kids "want to learn, they will learn". I disagree because if the teachers can't control the badly behaved kids in the class or are simply not teaching the kids the correct syllabus, they the kids can't learn! However, I never disagree with them, I always say things like, "I'm really glad your DD/DS/DGC is getting on well and enjoying school". I also say, if pushed, that I'm glad the local school is doing well now etc etc.

When I moved to the area over 20 years ago, I attended a job interview and the job interviewer told me that I wouldn't have been offered the interview if she had seen I had gone to the local school. I had no idea at that time if the school was good or bad as I was a young adult.

MY DP went to the local school and there are a lot of local people where there are several generations (rural area) and I think people do have a fondness for the school because they went there themselves. I understand that.

So today, we are having some work done at home by local builders. They obviously pick up on DP and I taking DS and DSD to different schools in the morning.

Then one of them starts.... his grandaughter is doing so well at local school, how the uniform is better(!) than at my DS school, how his "friend" was a teacher but had to leave my DS school because it is so awful, how they will learn if they want to, how my DS school had a "terrible" ofsted report, how the canteen is fantastic (after realising my DS takes sandwiches, as does DSD!). I said all the normal stuff and was positive about his granddaughter but he was certainly trying to get a rise out of me and was quite rude, I think, and I have been left feeling really quite rubbish this morning. :(

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ZombieBringBackAnyFucker · 24/10/2013 11:23

Yes! We live in a small city and have the choice of three comprehensive secondary schools and one private school.

DS1 has Aspergers and attends School A. Now, for many years (and I am going back to the 1980's/1990's here), School A had a bad reputation. They had discipline issues & their grades were not very good compared to the two other state comprehensives. However, they are a much smaller school (approximately half the size/number of pupils) and have an excellent attitude to SN. We took DS1 to all three state open evenings during Year 6 and School A were the only school to show any kind of positivity about DS1's need for support & any kind of knowledge of Aspergers, worryingly. Also, the fact it is a smaller school made it a lot less intimidating prospect for DS. Naturally, we chose School A.

School B (which was actually our catchment area school at the time) was the old Boys Grammar (has been a comprehensive since the 1970's but hey ho). School B is located in the "money" area of the city. Houses in the catchment area cost more than houses in the other two catchment areas. The SN department told me at their open evening (no word of a lie or exaggeration) "Oh, I don't think this will work. We don't really have SN pupils here". "Oh, he has a statement for 25 hours support? Oh well, he wouldn't get that. No, that just means the school can pay a LSA for 25 hours not that your DS will get 25 hours support". No it doesn't you idiot!!!

School C used to be the old Girls Grammar (again, not since the 1970's) and is still trading on it's ancient good reputation. Again, the SN department were very unsupportive/unhelpful regarding DS's needs (despite, I may add, this being the school in the area with the extra funding to take SN pupils!).

Now, last year - School A had both the best Ofsted of all three schools (Good, the others got Satisfactory and Needs Improvement!) AND the best GCSE results. It has also been awarded the title of "The Most Improved School In the County".

So, why oh why, do I still get "oo - your DS goes there. It's so rough there, couldn't you get him into School B or School C then?". And, for the record School A also has the toughest stance on bullying of all three schools Wink.

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shaq · 24/10/2013 11:34

Hi mychildmychoice,

I can't say I've had that issue myself, but what I would say is that you should put your children first, and anyone who doesn't like it can go hang!

As much as it would be nice to support the local schools, our children are not going to thank us for being principled, and damaging their future prospects over it.

I'm aware that this may not be a popular viewpoint with some, but at the end of the day, I'm going to do what is best for my kids.

Good luck!

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mychildmychoice · 24/10/2013 11:46

What is so strange is that I have 2 kids in the same year at 2 different schools. I attend all parents evenings and school events as necessary at both schools. I speak with teachers at both schools.

I chat with both children about their school days every single day. I know about THEIR experiences at both schools.

I read all ofsted and league tables and analyse them beyond what the schools want you to read.

And yet.... people still think they are "educating" me by banging on about the local school.

I know what it's like. I know the positives about BOTH schools. I also know the negatives about BOTH schools.

People don't want to hear the honest truth, they just want to have a pop.

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wigglybeezer · 24/10/2013 11:49

My child, Iam in exactly the same position as you and it has caused a few friendships to cool a bit, if you make a different choice people do take it as implied criticism, however, I do find myself bigging up my Ds's school to friends who have chosen the local independent school so I am not immune to the reaction myself much as I wish I felt able to just rise above it ( I do feel a bit of a duty to correct misinformation about state schools held by some people though which leads me to talking about orchestras and rugby tours).

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CarpeVinum · 24/10/2013 11:51

Yes.

I withdrew my son from state school in the country where we live and for the last year and a bit he has attended a British online (ie teaches via an internet based classroom) secondary school.

Hi grades have gone from an average of 4/10 to a 95% average accross the board with near perfect attendance (cos he can go to school even when snuffly and brewing a cold whilst curled up in a duvet on the sofa....without infecting everybody). His motivation to work and the quality of his output is ..... vastly different to what it was. In a good way. He is cheerful. He doesn't slap himself around the head saying "I'm stupid!" anymore. School is not closly connected to tears and an obliterated social life due to a vast number of hours being swallowed up by homework he had no idea how to do and me trying to teach him what he exited school still in the dark about.

None the less there is a fair amount of muttering in the village about my "wierd" educational choices. But less muttering than when I homeschooled him. So a win really. I'm that used to people not agreeing with my choices re school after six odd years of tussle, issues and flapping around trying find a workable solution that I am inclined to fall off my chair in shock if anybody appears even mildly enthusiastic about what I've picked.

Doesn't really matter to me all that much anymore. He is doing really well. He is happy. I can see a future for him where he doesn't give up on education at the earliest possible opportunity. That'll do me. I was so stressed, low and worried that being relieved of all those negatives means other people's approval barely registers as a concern at this point.

But bugger me, all the sniffy noises and pursed lips got right on my tits back in the beginning. It was hard enough finding the right hole for my square peg child without other people poking their noses in with no real understanding (or desire to hear) of the actual details involved.

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happygardening · 24/10/2013 16:39

Mine full boarded from 7yrs old and 8 yrs later one still does. Both are normal teenagers not dysfunctional sociopaths. Some people are openly disappointed and surprised at how normal they are!
I've had so much criticism over the years from all quarters but I look at my DS2 still full boarding and know I've done the right thing.
As long as you and your DC's are happy thats all that matters.

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mummytime · 24/10/2013 17:06

The thing to remember is that people feel very emotional about their school choices. The media also does a lot to make us feel guilty as parents, and worry if our children achieve less than 11 A* or something.

I have a mother at DCs infant school who talks about when one of the senior schools in town was "a failing school"; except it never was a failing school; the problem for some people it was an early Comprehensive when the others were Grammars (and Secondary Modern's). But that was also a LONG time ago.

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GhouldenGreen · 24/10/2013 17:11

People with no connection to or experience of my ds's primary school like to tell me how awful the headteacher is. Thanks, but I'll make up my kind based on my own experiences.

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TheArticFunky · 24/10/2013 17:51

Someone told me the other day that they didn't like a particular infant school because their brother was unhappy there, he attended 50 years ago.

The current teachers that work there wouldn't have even been born then!

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handcream · 24/10/2013 17:57

On here I get openly critized about my choice of school and others do for their own choices. Its a private boarding school and some huff and puff and it is clear they are listening to idle gossip having never set foot into this school or any other private school - they just dont believe in them!

I also 100% agree with Artic re the 50 years attendance story!

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Whereisegg · 24/10/2013 17:59

My dd is moving up in September.

The school (literally) around the corner has terrible ofsted and results and we are applying for a school in town, which used to have a bad reputation but is, frankly, bloody great!

Can I ask those whose dc went to further away schools, did you have trouble getting them in?!
I'm really worried that she will get a place round the corner as it is so close.

Sorry to go off on a tangent op, but all my friends have dc the same age so no one else to ask.
I am encouraged that you have got your dc's into further-away-but-better schools.

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misdee · 24/10/2013 18:08

Oh yes. Dd1 loves her school. Dd2 liked it when we looked round.

But it has an old outdated bad rep, people don't send their kids there. It's under subscribed by almost half.

Which works for us as its a sall school.

The head is fantastic, ofsted rated it highly, because its classed as a bad school it's getting more funding to update its buildings. The staff are enthusiastic, and dd1 is dong very well there,

We get a lot of judging about dd1 going there as its not one of the three local schools. Other children on the train/buses wonder what school she attends as not many from this area go there so they don't recognise the uniform. I hear a lot of 'why would you CHOOSE to send your child there'.

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Sparklingbrook · 24/10/2013 18:14

I moved DS1 mid year 8 to a school 12 miles away..

He didn't suit the original school. End of. I had no idea that he wouldn't-it was the local school down the road, he moved up from Middle School with everyone he knew.
I found it really difficult telling other parents what I had done as it looked like I was saying it wasn't good enough for him, or he wasn't trying hard enough to suit the school. I am sure there were a few Hmm faces.

DS2 will be going to that school in Sept 14. That will take even more explaining.

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mychildmychoice · 24/10/2013 19:04

Whereisegg, I think we were lucky to get in but there are lots if others who did too. Read up on the schools admission policy.

The admission policy for my ds sixth form takes no account whatsoever that he's been there for 5 years already and I'm nervous he won't get in.

You can only but try.

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UsedToBeNDP · 24/10/2013 19:07

Yeah, but it's an indie so it was bound to happen [shrug]

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mychildmychoice · 24/10/2013 19:07

Out of all the people who have commented on the local school being fab and the insinuations that my sons school is crap or that I am some sort of snob, not one single person has ever directly asked me why I send my ds to the next school!

It's good to know I'm not alone and that people get stick for sending their kids to ANY school whether it be local, grammar, non local or private.

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Whereisegg · 24/10/2013 21:16

Thanks mychild Smile

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Elibean · 24/10/2013 21:29

Yep, I had raised eyebrows and polite concern from the local mums at dd1's nursery when we chose her primary school. It is the 'Good' as opposed to 'Outstanding' one in our area, and in the middle of an estate.

We chose it over two indie schools and another state primary, and have never regretted it for a moment. dd has thrived there, and grown in every way. dd2 is there too and loves school on a daily basis.

The school is also thriving, and of course the old rep has changed...as others cotton on.

TBH, the rebel in me rather enjoyed the raised eyebrows all those years ago. I knew I shouldn't, and it certainly wasn't why we picked the school, but truth is I did Blush

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GeorgianMumto5 · 24/10/2013 23:06

I'm relieved to see this is almost normal! Just picked a secondary for eldest DC and everyone seems to have an opinion on it. I've had:
Why didn't you choose private? Because I am poor, thanks for asking.
Why don't you do x,y and z to get enough money to go private? Because I already do those things, just to keep afloat.
Why didn't you pick the same school as me? Right back atcha there, except I don't really want to know.
Oooh - that school has [ethnic minority group] there! Well spotted. It does. Your point?
Can you even get there from here? Yes, on a bus. WTF?
It used to be bad! So did butter. Jog on.

Honestly, I'm so fed up with it and I've done is apply.

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GeorgianMumto5 · 24/10/2013 23:07

all I've done is apply. Sorry.

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mychildmychoice · 25/10/2013 09:24

Builders arrive this morning.

Dsd has an inset day, ds doesn't.

First thing builder days to me "no school for my grandchildren this morning, unlike your son. They were dancing for joy last night". Insinuating that the local school is better.

Aaargh. Competitiveness over inset days is a new one! Grin

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HSMMaCM · 25/10/2013 09:57

I get criticised because DD goes to school 10 miles away. I had to fight to get her in there SN appeal (and no nosey local people - her needs aren't obvious and I know you live closer to me and I'm not going to tell you she has SN, because she doesn't want to advertise the fact). She loves it there and is thriving in a way she never did before.

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ATailOfTwoKitties · 25/10/2013 10:09

Same here, Sparkling! We moved ours from local to non-local in Yr 8 and should have done it earlier.

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AtiaoftheJulii · 25/10/2013 10:46

First thing builder days to me "no school for my grandchildren this morning, unlike your son. They were dancing for joy last night".

Oh, that's a shame that they are so unhappy at school.

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