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Russell Education Trust/Russell Group Universities

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strictlyfan2013 Mon 21-Oct-13 15:19:47

Can anyone confirm if the Free School sponsor "Russell Education Trust" is linked to the Russell Group Universities please? Also, what does "State funded independent school" mean? In relation to Free Schools... Thanks!

bruffin Mon 21-Oct-13 15:33:14

Why do you think it is linked, they make no mention of RG on their website at all.

MLP Mon 21-Oct-13 15:34:26

No connection between the two Russells as far as I can tell.

Talkinpeace Mon 21-Oct-13 15:49:41

The Russell group of universities are named after the hotel where they had their first meeting in 1994

The Russell Education Trust is a company from Leatherhead and its directors are
and appear to be former Ofsted subcontract inspectors

Marmitelover55 Mon 21-Oct-13 15:59:00

Although I think the Russell education trust may have chosen that name for a reason...I believed they are involved in thx bristol Free School.

I think a state funded independent school is a free school or academy.

furfuraceousfustilugs Mon 21-Oct-13 17:04:16

I hope this doesn't count as a hijack - bumping for you! - does anyone know why Bath isn't a Russell Group uni please? (Just on the off chance someone knows!)

Talkinpeace Mon 21-Oct-13 17:13:55

If you read the link about the Russell Group it becomes clear.
The meeting that they were meant to be at was of research universities and it was at a time of Research Council changes.
They got together and spoke out about stuff.

By chance those ones were also ones that were harder to get into
therefore the very lazy press and politicians started to use Russell Group as short hand for good
At the time Bath did not have much of a research presence in the funding councils so was not there.
The fact that it has an international reputation in certain subjects should not be forgotten.

furfuraceousfustilugs Mon 21-Oct-13 17:17:39

Oh, thanks Talkin - I will read the link! I though t my Q was too specific fort hat!

NoComet Mon 21-Oct-13 17:24:23

Bath university is, I believe very good at what it specialises in, but not necessarily research in all subjects.

Always felt tiny compared to Birmingham.

strictlyfan2013 Mon 21-Oct-13 17:51:22

Thanks. All cleared up now. I was confused as went to an RET school open event and they talked as if they were linked (well to me at least, I must have got the wrong end of the stick !)

Talkinpeace Mon 21-Oct-13 17:56:43

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strictlyfan2013 Mon 21-Oct-13 18:02:59

Interesting. Only verbal implication though at present.

creamteas Mon 21-Oct-13 18:54:27

furfuraceous just to add to what Talkin said.

The original Russell group was only large research universities only. They had the most money to lose at that time.

Smaller, research intensive universities were not invited to the discussions, although some of them went on to form the 1994 Group which, as part of its mission, was to stop the Russell Group getting all the cash!

Ingrid1964 Thu 26-Dec-13 02:32:03

not a great research track record

daphnedill Thu 26-Dec-13 05:18:23

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Mary1972 Thu 26-Dec-13 06:53:45

Russell Group need their lawyers on this one. As TP said passing off immediately comes to mind and perhaps get trading standards on to it - independent state school is in my view misleading and might breach advertising law.

wrigglingAndGiggling Thu 26-Dec-13 10:00:01

I'm a parent working on an RET free school, so I know them well. They're not connected to Russell Group and don't claim to be.

The Russell Education Trust was set up by Education London (EL), who are a very well respected school improvement consultancy. EL was one of the main education providers for the London Challenge, which has been celebrated for improving educational outcomes in London schools. They are very well qualified to set up new schools. (Certainly more qualified than the Russell Group of Universites, which are very experienced at running Research-intensive Universities, not schools).

daphnedill Thu 26-Dec-13 11:19:34

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wrigglingAndGiggling Thu 26-Dec-13 11:41:30

Daphnedill, no, not pr. Happy to answer you but I'm actually in the park with the kids right now so will have to get back to you in a little while.

daphnedill Thu 26-Dec-13 13:27:17

I'll look forward to it! How fortuitous that a topic just happened to crop up about which you could make your first post on MN, especially as you're in the park.

daphnedill Thu 26-Dec-13 13:39:29

Yes, I do want you to go through the misinformation - as you've offered! You can supplement that by giving me links, if you like. I've already read what's been written on Stephen Mayo's site and on Local Schools Network, so you don't need to repeat anything written there.

I wasn't involved in the campaign, but I've been knocking around education in Essex for an awful long time and I already know some of the facts behind the headlines - so enlighten me! But firstly, maybe you could state how you - an "ordinary parent" - know so much!

Mary1972 Thu 26-Dec-13 13:52:09

I would also want to know how they came to choose the word Russell. Was it by accident? Were the founders called Russell? Is it an educational trust which has been called Russell for the last 60 years? Or something more sinister?

wrigglingAndGiggling Thu 26-Dec-13 15:31:37

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