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Secondary State Admission Criteria!!!!

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MadameSin Sat 28-Sep-13 15:12:25

Have gone thru this once before but a while back, so .. can someone please explain how the LEA deals with 1st, 2nd, 3rd choices etc if choice number 1 is either full up or you come way down on their criteria and do not get in? ie; do they try the next one on the list and so on if they are also full with first choicers, so to speak ...... confused

meditrina Sat 28-Sep-13 15:24:27

Places are offered only on how well you fit the criteria, and never on what preference you list.

The preference is just to guide LEA if you qualify for more than one school, so they offer to the highest preference that you qualify for.

MadameSin Sat 28-Sep-13 15:30:55

Get that, but what if I come way down on a school's criteria but they are my first choice and they are not full up? Would I get in then?

Ragusa Sat 28-Sep-13 15:33:46

Yes, by law if there are more places than fiirst preference applications, the school would be obliged to give you a place.

meditrina Sat 28-Sep-13 15:34:15

Yes. They will offer places to those applicants who fit the criteria until they're full. It doesn't matter whether you're in the first or the fifth or the tenth category.

meditrina Sat 28-Sep-13 15:37:27

Not quite, ragusa. The school isn't told what preference you put them on the form. It would be illegal for offers to be made on anything other than the published criteria. A school cannot give any consideration whatsoever to which preference parents put it.

NickNacks Sat 28-Sep-13 15:44:27

Basically, the computer system 'ranks' every person who applied for each school. They will chop list when they reach the PAN and everyone who made the cut will be offered a place.

If a person makes the cut for more than one school, then the highest preference they listed will be the one they are offered. The second choice place is then given to the person next in the ranking (ie the first person who didn't make the cut.)

each person is only offered one school though so you don't usually find out this behind the scenes ranking.

MaeMobley Sat 28-Sep-13 15:52:32

This is really useful.

Blu Sat 28-Sep-13 17:00:12

You state 6 schools in order of preference - say schools ABCDEF, with A as your favourite.

Once all the applications are in, each school looks at the criteria for every single applicant and ranks them in order according to theier admissions criteria. So maybe A is a faith school which only admits non-faith students after siblings and church attenders, and can't offer you a place. B is an oversubscribed school several miles away, C is your second nearest comp, D another faith school, E your third nearest comp and F your closest comp.

Then pretend that:
F tells the LA that they can admit you on distance criteria.
E says they cannot admit - too full, you are too far away.
D offers you a place because this year there has been a lower than average demand from church attenders and you get one of the 'non faith' places on distance.
C does not offer you a place (too many people live closer),
B does not offer a place,
and neither does A - all places filled with church attenders.

The offer that you will receive on National offer day is D. The place that would have been offered from F has been re-allocated to the applicant next down the ranked list - and you will automatically be placed on the waiting lists for schools C, B and A.

Accepting the place at D does not jeopardise your chances of being offered a place from the waiting lists of the schools you rnaked higher than the offered school. Once everyone has sent back theier appcetances, they e-shuffle again - if you were top of the waiting list at C, you will be offered the first place that becomes available, and so on.

There can be a lot of movement over the summer.

Waiting lists are maintained in the same ranked order according to the admissions criteria. There is a date in the summer when late applicants are added into the lists (after the first offers have gone out) and at this stage you can even find yourself going down the waing list - if someone who lilves closer joins the list.

You will be put on the waiting list of all schools listed higher in your preference than the one allocated, and there is a date when you can put yourself on the waiting list for any other school, whether or not you applied in the first place.

If for some reason you sudddenly decided you had made a mistake and you actually preferred school F to school D then you would need to put yourself on the waiting list for school F - you can't backtrack and claim the place you would originally have been offered if D hadn't put you on their list.


If you are not offered a place at an of the schools listed the LA will allocate you in any school that has a place, no matter how far away.

This is why it is important to put your prefernces in the exact order you really prefer them, and to include a school that you have a good chance of getting into.

You cannot 'beat the system' by only listing popular over-subscribed schools that you stand little chance of getting, or only putting down one or two preferences so that 'they have to give you one of those'. No. They don't!

Talkinpeace Sat 28-Sep-13 19:46:26

but they DO have to give you your catchment school if - like here in Hampshire - the whole thing is on catchments and feeders

meditrina Sat 28-Sep-13 19:53:37

The only place where they have to give you you catchment school is Scotland. In England, even on places where there are formal catchments, if there are too many children, the excess pupils will be allocated more distant schools (even in Hampshire). In Scotland they woul have to expand the school.

gintastic Sat 28-Sep-13 19:56:40

Oxfordshire is based on catchments, and they make it quite clear that you may not get your catchment school if there are too many children in the area. I worked with schools in my last job, and one head told me she had to turn away 10 children from the catchment as they were too full. (Or central admissions did, but she felt so bad about it...)

Talkinpeace Sat 28-Sep-13 19:57:52

Fairy nuff : and with the level of housebuilding it may start to be a problem round here soon

vj32 Sat 28-Sep-13 20:37:45

Talkinpeace - they don't.

The school we want DS to go to (North Baddesley Infants as I know you are local) didn't admit lots of catchment children year before last because they had lots of siblings and lots of children very close to the school because they built a new housing development quite close to the school.

We are gambling that we will get him in or I will Home Ed until we get to the top of the waiting list, as the only other place he would get in is St John's in Rownhams, and I really wonder why that school consistently isn't full.

vj32 Sat 28-Sep-13 20:40:32

Hampshire does at least publish online all their admissions data for obsessive parents to study...

Talkinpeace Sat 28-Sep-13 21:18:43

Rownhams is not consistently full for a very simple reason - the county boundary and the fact that lots and lots of the houses round there are still occupied by families whose kids are now at Peter symonds!
Its a good little school and the headline figures do not do justice to how happy and well educated most of the kids come out ;-)

And when Barker Mill get the houses built by Oasis it will be chocca unless they move the catchmentt boundaries !

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