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Tiffin Girls School "designated area"

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Muminwestlondon Mon 17-Dec-12 16:34:58

West or South West London parents might be interested to learn that TGS is currently consulting on a "designated area" to cut down on the nearly 2000 applications they had this year. If accepted the change would apply from 2014/15. The details are on the school website, but the postcodes are...

KT1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 19
TW1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 16
SW13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19, 20
W4, 5, 7, 13
UB1, 2

gatheringlilac Mon 17-Dec-12 21:00:52


We're not in there! And we are close enough for it to be our big shopping area!!

Muminwestlondon Mon 17-Dec-12 22:14:23

I am also outside of it although my daughter goes there! It is only a proposal at the moment and comments can be made via their website.

HilaryM Mon 17-Dec-12 22:48:54

that's a bit of a shocker.

anyone know if tiffin boys will follow suit?

Muminwestlondon Tue 18-Dec-12 08:47:32

I don't know but I think what has prompted it is that the school infrastructure cannot cope with the costs and hassle of nearly 2000 girls sitting the initial test.

They are completely separate schools and as you may be aware Tiffin Girls changed the admission tests this year to include maths and English. I cannot imagine they will run two different systems for ever though as I think they must have similar problems in sheer volume of applicants and differentiating between them.

CarrotsAreNotTheOnlyVegetables Tue 18-Dec-12 11:46:48

It is about time something was done to ease the hysteria of Tiffin entrance.

Though this is only a consultation - who is eligible to comment?

Muminwestlondon Tue 18-Dec-12 12:15:33

Anyone can comment. There is a form on their website which can be emailed or posted.

CarrotsAreNotTheOnlyVegetables Tue 18-Dec-12 12:29:56

Thanks, will have a look at that.

TessOfTheBaublevilles Tue 18-Dec-12 13:31:06

I think it's a good idea, especially given that part of their rationale is the long distances some girls are travelling to the school, as well as the number of applications.

JoanByers Tue 18-Dec-12 14:13:15

The postcodes seem very arbitrary. How come Southall is in but Acton is out?

Muminwestlondon Tue 18-Dec-12 14:14:39

I think a very small minority of girls have always travelled long distances. Some of the proposed postcodes are an hour by bus.

What they are trying to do is reduce the burden of applications and shut up those who want the school to be for Kingston only by introducing a catchment of sorts.

JoanByers Tue 18-Dec-12 14:21:40

Some of the postcodes are an hour-and-a-half by two, or even three, buses.

TessOfTheBaublevilles Tue 18-Dec-12 15:02:44

Having put some of the postcodes into Google Maps, I can now see how far some of the postcodes are, so I take back what I said!

In that case, it's very naughty they've said in one of the documents, one of their reasons is to stop girls having to travel very long distances.

They might as well just be honest and say it's purely to cut the number of applications.

TessOfTheBaublevilles Tue 18-Dec-12 15:05:44

Although having said that, I've just remembered that the advised maximum travelling time for a secondary aged child is 90 minutes, so perhaps that's how they've done it?

Perhaps they've worked out the journey times from various postcodes and the area is those that fall within 90 minutes?

JoanByers Tue 18-Dec-12 15:06:48

So why is w3 absent?

TessOfTheBaublevilles Tue 18-Dec-12 15:15:42

I don't know Joan - I was just clutching at straws!

I have very little knowledge of public transport routes from various areas to Kingston. The only ones I know are the ones from where I live!

gatheringlilac Tue 18-Dec-12 17:05:37

We are "not on the list" but it is well under an hour, even in heavy traffic, to reach the school from where we are. sad

gazzalw Tue 18-Dec-12 17:07:39

Hi Gatheringlilac (waves) - we've scraped in postcode-wise but not sure if we would be looking at Tiffin for DD just as we ruled out Tiffin for DS!

CecilyP Tue 18-Dec-12 17:22:22

The catchment looks huge, stretching from Southall to Mitcham, so don't know how many applicants form outwith they have at present. Looking at the map, I have to agree that W3 seems a strange omission.

basildonbond Tue 18-Dec-12 18:34:39

Sw16 is also absent and that's well within the 90 minute radius ... I wouldn't consider it for dd as I still think its too far but .....

JoanByers Tue 18-Dec-12 18:46:44

SW11 is around 40 minutes door-to-door, and absent too....

gatheringlilac Tue 18-Dec-12 19:52:22

Hmm. Latymer in Edmonton uses a TfL journey-planner thingy to insist that only children whose journeys take under an hour can apply. you have to affix the TfL print-out to the application. Seems less arbitrary than this list of post-codes ... unless the point is quite simply to just lop off a tranche of applications any old how.

gatheringlilac Tue 18-Dec-12 19:55:50

... or perhaps it's that the ratio of cost of processing applications from, say, SW16 and W3 to number of applications from those postcodes being successful was way less good than the ration of cost to pass rate from, say, CR4? Perhaps SW16 is excluded because their success rate wasn't glorious enough?

(I'm joking: I think it was probably just a case of a ruthless sweep of the marker pen.)

gazzalw Wed 19-Dec-12 07:52:40

Or the cynic might wonder if they're using postcodes to weed out certain demographics...shock....

CecilyP Wed 19-Dec-12 10:40:28

I don't think so, gazzalw. It looks like they drew a circle round the school and took in all the relevant postcodes - all except W3 which sits slap bang in the middle of W4 and W5, whereas SW16 is right outside the circle.

The 90 minutes journey thing is a total red herring. Only 19 minutes from Clapham Junction (SW11) to Kingston station and perhaps a 15 minute walk from there.

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