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DS Yr7 been told he has negative attitude towards subject

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Spree Tue 11-Dec-12 13:32:31

I have just received an email from DS' (yr 7) Spanish teacher complaining that he has shown a negative attitude towards the subject, doesn't cooperate and manifests this through words in class and won't listen.

I am not sure what to do as this teacher had complained about his behaviour at a parent-teacher a few weeks ago.

We had agreed for her to seat him away from his group of friends and now this.

DS, before I showed him who the email was from, hadn't a clue which teacher would complain about him & would not have listed Spanish as his least favourite subject.

However, he admits he has sometimes talked in class & says the lesson is boring, all they do is copy stuff from the board.

I have told him that teachers don't appreciate students talking during their lessons & he will just need to respect that.

I don't know what to say in response to the teacher.

She has offered to meet but I don't fancy going to listen to what she has already said in her email - without anything to add to it.

He is otherwise doing well at school.

racingheart Fri 14-Dec-12 11:09:30

Spree, please don't go in assuming she needs a pep talk from a parent on how to be a better teacher. Please listen first to what she says. Our DC will always spin information in their own favour.

GreatUncleEddie Fri 14-Dec-12 12:46:35

Of course they will. And the OP was inviting him to criticise his Spanish lessons by asking him why he was mucking about. She said at the start that he hadn't identified Spanish as a lesson that he didn't like before she asked him about it. He said it was dull because he had to say something, and even if it is dull he needs to STFU and get in with learning it. That's what I would tell my y7 anyway.

GreatUncleEddie Fri 14-Dec-12 12:47:06

Without the swearing, mind grin

madwomanintheattic Sun 16-Dec-12 17:10:08

And, um,low 20s isn't a big class.


Not in state, anyway. It's positively small. grin

My 11yo boy likes more active learning opportunities, but tbh, he learns better when he doesn't have the opportunity to distract himself, so rote learning from the board would probably be more efficient. He wouldn't enjoy it so much, but it depends on what you want out of education. grin

lljkk Sun 16-Dec-12 17:59:09

Not true, Madwomen. Secondary class size in low 20s is trending towards large. Check these data out.

Average size classes in English secondaries is under 21.

Primary average is bigger, 26-27.

lljkk Sun 16-Dec-12 18:00:45

Oh, and oops, OP isn't in England so heaven knows what counts for large where she is, anyway.

madwomanintheattic Sun 16-Dec-12 20:52:16

I must have worked in a v unusual English secondary then! grin

Low 20s would have been lovely. grin It was usually high 20s, of which at least 8 had significant sn (significant enough to require the LSA's intervention for at least elements of the lesson).

Good to know that it's not the norm, anyway. This was an outstanding secondary with people trying to buy in catchment to guarantee places. I supported lessons where at least 70% of the pupils had little to no interest in learning anything, and were only there because they had to be. V depressing. The few kids in each class who wanted to learn were prevented from doing so by the majority who didn't give a stuff. grin

It was an interesting insight into what at outstanding education looks like in secondary. <sigh>

Themumsnotroastingonanopenfire Mon 17-Dec-12 00:19:46

Low 20s is an average class size? I wish.
Not true in my area - 30-32 more likely.

lljkk Mon 17-Dec-12 07:34:54

Those class sizes are average ime.
It's easy when you don't live in a Naice area.

Themumsnotroastingonanopenfire Mon 17-Dec-12 09:26:50

It's easy when you don't live in a Naice area.

How do you mean?

lljkk Mon 17-Dec-12 10:00:39

Where I live is very ordinary in every way, high-ITV-viewing, very average or below average test results from most schools, some high rural social deprivation although you wouldn't know it to look at, not the usual MN definition of "naice".

Themumsnotroastingonanopenfire Mon 17-Dec-12 10:05:01

Sounds very similar to where I live ljkk. The schools around where I live, those which my children attend and in which I have taught, are all underachieving comprehensives serving similar communities. They are certainly not 'naice' whatever that is.
I'm not sure what you are saying here - is it that only these so-called 'naice' schools have large class sizes? Because I assure you that's not true. Most of the classes I've taught, and my children are taught in consist of at least 30.

lljkk Mon 17-Dec-12 13:21:20

I guess it may be false assumption, but my guess is that larger classes occur at desirable schools in desirable areas. Only a trend, not a guarantee.

phlebas Mon 17-Dec-12 13:32:10

I'm amazed at that figure for average class size - none of my daughter's classes have fewer than 28 students & a quick poll amongst friends & relatives spread out across the country agrees that 28-32 is far more typical. My sister is in a private school where class sizes are 20-22 in the main school (smaller in 6th form) & that was considered tiny locally shock

lljkk Mon 17-Dec-12 14:08:51

I suppose those stats will include places like tiny remote cumbria village schools, but I doubt those influence averages very much.

DC in reception & yr4 have about 26-28 in class. DD in yr6 is in a class of 23. This is in a school of about 350 pupils.

On high school tours few I think I was told anything between 12-35, with 26-28 about typical. Highest & lowest ability groups have smaller classes, although top 2 sets might be combined to make a superclass of 35 or so, and allow more teaching hours to the bottom set.

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