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Sparklingbrook Sun 21-Oct-12 09:34:21

Anybody know how this works and does it work? Do schools have agreements with each other to do this?

Not my DC but only became aware of it recently and don't really understand.

Sparklingbrook Sun 21-Oct-12 09:52:00

Maybe it's just round here?

balia Sun 21-Oct-12 09:57:25

The only thing like that I can think of is a managed move? The student is moved to another school for a fresh start but can be moved back to the old school if it doesn't work out.

Sparklingbrook Sun 21-Oct-12 10:01:11

I got the impression it's for 10 weeks. I think it's a weird but ok idea depending on what the behavior was like to prompt it.

mummytime Sun 21-Oct-12 10:10:29

I would think it is either a managed move, or being moved to a "short stay school", or possibly part of some area wide 14-19 plan.

Sparklingbrook Sun 21-Oct-12 10:14:43

I hope it works then. Would be great if it did as at least education is attempted to be continued. Terrifying for the child though.

creamteas Sun 21-Oct-12 10:27:50

Managed Moves are usually made instead of permanent exclusion, if it is for a short time period it might be to a PRU rather than just another school.

In theory it is to allow a fresh start, but in practice parent's can be bullied persuaded to agree not realizing that they do not have the same rights to appeal as they would with exclusion.

Sparklingbrook Sun 21-Oct-12 11:05:04

I wonder if it does work and they go back to their old school all sorted?

creamteas Sun 21-Oct-12 12:04:27

sparkling this has never happened in the very small amount of cases I know about. Usually it seems to result in a series of managed moves across all of the city's schools till no one else will take them, or they get to get to 16 sad.

TheOneWithTheHair Sun 21-Oct-12 12:10:31

They do this at ds1's school. They have one of those executive heads that manages three high schools. The one they would have sent them to is awful. I don't think it works as the children seem to come back as heroes with a certain notoriety that doesn't seem to curb unacceptable behaviour.

Sparklingbrook Sun 21-Oct-12 12:26:06

I did wonder cream. sad Just seems like putting off the inevitable. sad

TalkinPeace2 Sun 21-Oct-12 13:01:02

round here there is a new mega PRU that seems to be working wonders at turning round kids facing exclusion

the impact on the whole city's exam results is already visible

admission Sun 21-Oct-12 13:25:25

I would assume that it is a managed move and these can work really well, if it is done for the right reasons. The right reason is to give the pupil a new start in a different school with a different cohort of pupils and with appropriate help and support from the school and outside agencies. What does not work is how creamteas describes it as being passed from one school to the next without any support to remove the poor behaviour.
Normally what happens is that it is initially for a limited period of time so that the pupil and parents with the new school can assess whether it is having the right effect. If it is, then the move is usually made permanent. If not then the pupil returns to the original school and then the betting must be that they will be in real danger of being permanently excluded if the poor behaviour has not been addressed Sometimes just the time spent in another school is enough for the pupil to realise that the grass is not always greener in another school and they do return to the original school with a new better attitude.
Regretably the use of managed moves does seem to vary massively from one LA to another LA in terms of their success rate or even if they are carried out with all parties (pupil, parent and both schools) having an active input into trying to make it a success.

TalkinPeace2 Sun 21-Oct-12 13:33:30

it also comes down to the support given.
the child who was excluded from DDs school was sent to the PRU for the 4 weeks. They put the resources in to understand WHY he was doing what he did to get excluded
while keeping him on timetable in their facilities
he came back into the same class and has not been in trouble since

auntevil Sun 21-Oct-12 14:18:26

The only ones that I have heard about are also to PRUs. It seems mainly to be for assessing whether MS school is suitable or whether SS is a better option.

Sparklingbrook Sun 21-Oct-12 14:20:15

Don't think there is a PRU round here. I still have mixed feelings about the school transfer for 10 weeks thing.

TalkinPeace2 Sun 21-Oct-12 15:38:30

sparkling - there will be a PRU but they will not shout about it.
Which is sad because the effect that the change in Policy by Southampton City Council has had is something that should be mirrored everywhere in the country.
They closed lots of little PRUs that were just holding pens effectively and set up a school (in a closed school) for excluded children.
We now have a resource rich centre for children who left unattended will end up in prison and worse - that is having results.
And schools who exclude the kids know that everybody will benefit as without the disruptive pupil their results go up
and the kid comes back less disruptive.
NB this is NOT a special school / borstal - all that crap
its a method of professionally 'lovebombing' kids to find out why they did what they did

I do not work there - friends do
I just live up the road from it and genuinely did not realise what sort of kids were in there for ages - the best compliment to the management surely

Sparklingbrook Sun 21-Oct-12 16:10:07

That's really interesting Talkin. If it works so well that is fab.

mummytime Sun 21-Oct-12 16:29:30

The managed moves I have known have usually worked. The thing that has usually not worked is transfer into the State system for children expelled from private (at least at secondary).
Around here there are still special schools, including those just for children with Emotional and Behavioural difficulties. However most either get a managed move to another school in the 14-19 consortium, or get a short stay at the PRU, in which they get further input (no one gets there until they have received a lot of input already) and maybe assessment. Most then go back to their original school.

TalkinPeace2 Sun 21-Oct-12 18:06:13

what I think - and will wait to see - is changing is that the PRU is now the FIRST resort, not the last
so that kids are rapidly extracted, dealt with and handed back rather than being left to fester for years
its the whole "early intervention" approach.

Logically the PRU should be a school with teeny classes and shrinks in every room
as NONE of that behaviour comes from nowhere
and the sooner its cracked (if the option is there) the better and cheaper for all concerned

mummytime Sun 21-Oct-12 18:26:06

Well around here the PRU is tiny, the staff do a lot of outreach, and it has become much more a place of last resort. But then our LA does still have special schools (although I have heard worrying things about that), and also seems to have far more diagnosed students than most places.

Of course things vary with the quality of the SENCo, some are fabulous, some are good at the admin but don't seem to have enough training/experience.

TalkinPeace2 Sun 21-Oct-12 18:59:59

and if you think about it a tiny PRU has little or no chance of having the staff in place to deal with all of a childs needs
its a clear case where centralising provision
- teachers for each Key Stage and each core subject
- social workers
- fine motor skills staff
- psychologists
- family support officers
all in one building is really a no brainer

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