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Salmond v Sturgeon Round 2.

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Cismyfatarse · 28/02/2021 18:29

As the conversation is interesting and the thread is nearly full. Does it matter if Sturgeon is guilty - do you know or care? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/scotsnet/4153007-Does-it-matter-if-Sturgeon-is-guilty-do-you-know-or-care

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WouldBeGood · 28/02/2021 18:51

Making place for the next instalment of the McBorgias

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Cismyfatarse · 28/02/2021 19:01

Swinney being pressured via no confidence in the same week / couple of days we are supposed to find out more about the return to school. Plus OECD must be bad on education or they would have published the draft.

Lots going on so good to have another place to collate and discuss information.

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StatisticallyChallenged · 28/02/2021 19:03

Not publishing things despite parliamentary votes is becoming a bit of a trend...

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Coquohvan · 28/02/2021 19:22

Can the SC be forced to publicise if they refuse too?

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dementedma · 28/02/2021 19:24

Interesting she will testify on the same day as Rishi Sunak's budget. Less media interest?
Will she get a 6 hour grilling, or a soft ride from SNP colleague Fabiani?

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Nipoleonthenoncommital · 28/02/2021 19:36

I watched quite a lot of coverage on Friday. AS' superior intellect in that room was abundantly obvious, with a few exceptions. I imagine NS will appear the same, whether it is the intention of LF or not.

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TokyoSushi · 28/02/2021 19:38

Checking in, thanks for the new thread

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WouldBeGood · 28/02/2021 19:38

At the moment I’m more concerned about the FM
lying and the tainting of our Parliamentary and legal institutions to be honest.

That’s for @happygolurkey as the other thread is full!

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WouldBeGood · 28/02/2021 19:46

There is also the matter of NS adjudicating on the complaint against her by Jim Sillars

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Cismyfatarse · 28/02/2021 19:49

The Sillars complaint is covered by Wings. Essentially she has written back declaring herself not guilty.

I wonder if in the new shiny Scotland that option will be available for all those who break the rules.

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WouldBeGood · 28/02/2021 19:50

Exactly. It’s disgraceful. The tone of her letter was not edifying

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littlbrowndog · 28/02/2021 19:55

It was strange. The letter was sen5 to Lesley evans. Yet sturgeon answered it

Why ?

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StrawberryIceQueen · 28/02/2021 20:23

Apparently you can self identify as not guilty Hmm

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WouldBeGood · 28/02/2021 20:24

@StrawberryIceQueen😂😂😂 brilliant

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jabbathebutt · 28/02/2021 20:28

placemarking

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Beepbeeprichie · 28/02/2021 20:36

And what will become of this Aberdein evidence and the memory stick? More importantly, which actors will play all these individuals in the Netflix dramatisation? Grin
In all seriousness though, this just gets worse and worse. Replying to a complaint about yourself. Refusing to release evidence. Refusing to release the education report.
Are Evans, Swinney and Murrell all going to be sacrificed to save The Leader? And if so can the public really have faith in the political fabric of the country?

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TheShadowyFeminist · 28/02/2021 20:52

Just picking up something from the previous thread - the 'everyone knew what AS was like' angle but turned a blind eye while they were benefiting from his other talents. What's happening now is almost the same - the extraordinary lengths those around NS are going to, to preserve her position.

She's clearly an asset to the SNP, they need her to ride on the back of her personal approval ratings & the positive regard on her handling of the Covid pandemic (even if there are failings there too), there's a lot invested in her particular agenda - the GRA (on hold), HCB, ensuring JC doesn't get anywhere near Scottish Parliament & pandering to a narrow faction she's invested in as an integral part of the party/future plans despite the extreme elements of this group (who would ordinarily be viewed as problematic & certainly not pandered to).

The handling of AS back then is being repeated with NS now, with some questionable behaviour by those around her/her government to protect her. There might be differences in what is prompting that behaviour compared to what happened back then with AS but this is very much 'politicking' that normally goes on behind closed doors.

NS's problem is she's been part of something (whether directly or indirectly/unknowingly) that targeted AS specifically & which was done so unbelievably incompetently, it's all spilling out in public in the most damaging way imaginable.

It's continuing now, with Scotgov still trying to control the information being made available to the committee & there comes a point where they need to realise the game is up. The institution under scrutiny should not be pulling the strings of the committee set up to investigate their failings.

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WouldBeGood · 28/02/2021 20:56

Scotgov is Nicola Sturgeon and Peter Murrell.

That’s partly why this has happened. And why it’s so fascinating. All a bit last days of Rome

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Dinnafashyersel · 28/02/2021 21:41

All a bit last days of Rome.

Carry on Up the McBorgias indeed Grin

Read something about the Hamilton Enquiry taking place in private on Monday and Tuesday. Implication being he will have access to the restricted evidence because of this. Starting to wonder if Nicola will even get her crowning glory on Wednesday.

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TheShadowyFeminist · 28/02/2021 21:45

I think NS is totally boxed into a corner.

I think there's information that, depending what she says now Wednesday, will be leaked to highlight any dishonest answers.

It really is the last days of Rome

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noego · 28/02/2021 22:24

Place marking

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jabbathebutt · 28/02/2021 22:35

beware the ides of march

(which incidentally, is approaching....)

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WouldBeGood · 28/02/2021 22:43

I love it, @jabbathebutt 😃

Et tu, Alex?

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Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 28/02/2021 22:48

Where is Aberdein in all of this? Surely his evidence/statement is crucial?

I can see Sturgeon resigning shortly. What else can happen

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TheShadowyFeminist · 28/02/2021 23:07

"Et tu, Alex?"

The thing is, he's not called for her resignation. He's not been as hesitant on Lesley Evans or Peter Murrell. If Sturgeon does resign, it's going to be based on something she's said or done, not any 'back stabbing' by AS. He's laid out his case, after some spectacularly ill advised goading by NS in media interviews, and out manoeuvred her.

Hoist by her own (or her husband's) petard. Unless she talks her way out of this. I just can't see how she could.

I'm getting lots of 🍿 for Wednesday.

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