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So, has anyone changed their mind since the last referendum?

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AgentProvocateur Mon 13-Mar-17 21:40:51

Will anyone here be changing from no to yes or vice versa?

EmmaC78 Mon 13-Mar-17 21:44:22

I was a No last time and will be a No this time. I feel like crying at the thought of another referendum. It really did tear the country a apart.

ScottishThistle123 Mon 13-Mar-17 22:39:16

I was a Yes last time and will be a YES!!! this time. The only thing being torn apart is the EU which WAS described as a plus point for staying in the UK. Canny trust a Tory!

LizzieMacQueen Mon 13-Mar-17 23:16:05

What's the difference between SNP and conservatism?

As far as I can tell SNP are even more right wing than the tories.

WankersHacksandThieves Mon 13-Mar-17 23:22:13

Haven't changed my mind, was a No and still a No.

Do people realise that it wasn't the Tories that personally voted for Brexit? hmm

ScottishThistle123 Mon 13-Mar-17 23:56:00

Lizzie Right wing huh yes i can totaly see what you mean with all that care for people and not just the rich ones. "Oh free education how horrible eh?"... "Looking after disabled people why it is the tory opinion everyone is fit for work even when some honestly are not"
Hacks you are perfectly entitled to your own opinion and i am not here to say you are wrong or i am right. I wrote what is my opinion and i am clearly getting jumped on for answering a question and no it may not have been the torys that personally voted for brexit but it sure as hell wasnt the people of scotland thats for sure! We voted to stay in the EU.
Do people realise that you are not voting for Nicola Sturgeon ? confused Where as if you voted no you voted for the forseable future of Conservative because our votes dont really count.

TinfoilHattie Tue 14-Mar-17 07:50:59

No haven't changed. Was a strong NO last time and voted Remain in June, but I cannot see the logic of leaving the UK to remain in the EU. It just does not make sense in any way at all.

Hoping the referendum will be after March 2019 as by that point my oldest will be able to vote no too.

SaorAlbaGuBrath Tue 14-Mar-17 07:53:12

No, I was yes then and I'm yes now. No fallouts with friends or family (whole family bar DP and me voted yes), even walked to the polling station with our no voting neighbours. I want independence, fiercely, but I don't hate anyone, I'm not anti anyone. Most of my friends are either English or live in England. The nastiness surrounding the indyref and also Brexit makes me very sad.

SaorAlbaGuBrath Tue 14-Mar-17 07:53:33

I meant whole family bar me and DP voted no!

LouKout Tue 14-Mar-17 07:56:22

Feeling more inclined towards yes. The state of politics/general climate in England makes me feel ill.

LouKout Tue 14-Mar-17 07:56:53

And am not SNP fan.

MorrisZapp Tue 14-Mar-17 07:58:32

No change here. Also no change on my FB feed. It's like waking up three years ago...

AssembleTheMinions Tue 14-Mar-17 08:02:25

it may not have been the torys that personally voted for brexit but it sure as hell wasnt the people of scotland thats for sure! We voted to stay in the EU.

The people of Scotland also voted to stay in the union as well but that doesn't seem to matter now though. Just keep plugging away until you get the answer you want. hmm Absolutely fed up with the thought of going through this again.

SaorAlbaGuBrath Tue 14-Mar-17 08:06:51

Assemble yes, but a huge part of the Better Together campaign was that voting No was the only way to guarantee staying in the EU, which hasn't happened. It also pitched a No vote as the way to save civil service jobs, and the shipyards, which again, hasn't happened. I don't agree with everything the SNP do or propose, but voters were at best misled before the previous referendum. Mostly because nobody foresaw the Brexit campaign actually succeeding.

zeezeela Tue 14-Mar-17 08:10:42

Yes this time and yes last time..

TinfoilHattie Tue 14-Mar-17 08:20:59

I don't think you can extrapolate an exact crossover and say that people who voted Remain in the referendum in June were Yes voters and vice versa.

In my area 61% voted NO to independence. 71% voted to Remain in the EU. Thar 61% will have to decide where their loyalties lie - would they rather be in the UK or maybe get admission to the EU at some point in the future?

Anyway, sick of it already. All the old divisions starting to emerge again, nastiness on social media. Someone should draw up an Indyref bingo card with the phrases we're all going to hear - "democratic right", "Tory" (SNP programmed to spontaneously combust if they say Conservative", Westmonster, settled will, oil, hard brexit, slurs on the sexuality of Dugdale/Davidson etc etc etc

bloodymaria Tue 14-Mar-17 08:37:23

Yes last time, and hard yes this time! It's no surprise that it's happening really, it's the SNPs modus operandi and whatever your vote it's clear that people feel strongly about it. The level of political engagement in Scotland just now can be a good thing and it's sad to hear people say they're bored and sick of it already. It's our future! Whatever happens we get to decide (again!).

cheeseandcrackers77 Tue 14-Mar-17 09:07:29

But we knew in 2014 an EU referendum was coming so many people still voted to stay in the UK knowing we might end up out of the EU.

A million of us voted to leave the EU up here only 600,000 less than voted to remain so Scotland didn't overwhelming vote to remain as often claimed by the SNP.

squishysquirmy Tue 14-Mar-17 09:19:06

No last time, No this time but I do understand that the situation has changed enormously due to Brexit. I remember EU membership being a hugely discussed issue in 2014. The better together campaign repeatedly stated that the only way to keep EU membership was with a No vote, and that the surest way to lose it was by voting Yes.

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us Tue 14-Mar-17 09:32:12

squishy I also remember the EU question coming up, and various EU officials making clear that an independent Scotland would be out of the EU, at least until it met the criteria to reapply. At the time, the SNP were not remotely concerned about this. This makes the current furore about maintaining Scotland's place in the EU at any cost a bit farcical.

FourKidsNotCrazyYet Tue 14-Mar-17 09:35:18

No I haven't changed my mind. A No is a NO and NS should realise that's why we are a democracy angry

LouKout Tue 14-Mar-17 09:45:43

I dont understand why people voted for SNP who didnt want independence.

Its like a one party state here now.

What did people think would happen when rhey voted SNP?

Lalelou Tue 14-Mar-17 09:51:27

I am not Scottish and am sorry that negative emotions will be whipped up dividing families and communities once more. Saying that Westminster has shown absolutely no regard to Scotland in light of Brexit. I don't know how feasible it is but i would like to see a strong and independent Scotland, possibly as part of a Celtic Union with Ireland and with strong ties with Scandinavia and remaining in the EU. I wish the Scottish people all the best.

NoLotteryWinYet Tue 14-Mar-17 13:10:59

Brexit and the disintegration of the EU makes me think that independence is an even worse idea than before, why would you want 2 macro economic shocks when you can have only one?

D1az Tue 14-Mar-17 13:56:49

I like 'hard yes' bloodymaria I'm going to use that (I was/am Yes too)!

I feel the same LouKout. If it wasn't imperative that I keep up to date with the goings-on in WM, I wouldn't bother. I am sick of the changes they are bringing in to target the most vulnerable.

On another note, I do hope that there isn't such an outburst of "But I don't like the SNP/Salmond/Sturgeon" this time. Sturgeon can seek a referendum because the SNP are in power, I imagine they won't last long after we gain independence, or at least they won't be as powerful as they were.

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