To ask how Scottish Indyref1 NO voters are feeling about it today?(329 Posts)
I was just chatting with DH about the possibility of a second Indyref whilst watching the news and I wondered how those who voted no in 2014 are feeling now?
Cards on the table, for those who weren't on the Indyref threads, I was a strong no voter and campaigner last time. I work in financial services (have changed company since) and I had huge concerns about the impact on the economy of a No vote - all the issues around currency etc. I also found a lot of the campaign arguments very unconvincing and like we were being promised the moon which could never materialise.
I still feel that way about the last referendum. But I have to admit that watching the news today, seeing people proudly declaring they voted out because of immigrants...this isn't a country which currently reflects me. I still have massive concerns about the economy although it's a lot less clear cut given the likely turmoil over the next few years.
I'm well aware that an independent Scotland may have huge issues getting in to the EU btw, it's not so much about the EU membership but about feeling a bit less affinity with being 'British' today.
Our economy is weaker now than it was then, I'm not happy with how education, the national health service and Police Scotland are being managed. I wasn't convinced that we could go it alone economically 2 years ago, I'm even less convinced of that now.
Europe itself isn't strong, other countries aren't happy at how it's being run. I don't want the Euro.
I voted leave and it was nothing to do with immigrants. I will vote No again if asked.
I will be no and at least 3 friends are the same if it comes to indy 2. The unanswered questions from indy 1 are still Unanswered.
I feel we really didn't get a true idea of Scotland real feelings on the EU. Plenty of pro indy FB pages have yes voters saying they only voted in to get indy 2 and when we get indy they won't vote to be a member of the EU so actually you could say the SNP have deliberately manipulated the Scottish vote (and they wonder why some folk don't trust them).
I voted remain in eu and would still vote no in indyref2
I was a NO. Much less certain now. An awful lot of the things I was worried about seem to me to happening anyway and I feel like my ability to argue my point is fading.
I voted Yea in the indyref, and this sort of scenario is exactly why. I wasn't fully convinced on the economic case last time, and I don't think it will ever be possible to pin this down with any certainty. But I felt disenfranchised, was governed by a party I didn't vote for and couldn't identify with, and was conscious that our agenda is very different to much of England's. I knew who I wanted to throw my lot in with, and was prepared to take my chances. I'm also now wondering how No voters are feeling. DH (who takes these things incredibly seriously and does huge amounts of research both professionally and personally) voted No last time, but says he wojkd consider a Yes vote in indyref2.
I voted no as I wanted Scotland to stay in the EU. Wish I had voted yes now.
I voted remain purely to avoid indyref2. Well that's all backfired on me now hasn't it.
I voted no as a head decision based on the facts. If it's forced on me again I will vote on the facts as I see them at the time. I couldn't say with certainty right now but in principle I agree with bejay so I'm still no.
I will still be a No. Nothing has changed in terms of answers and the EU is now unstable. However it would not surprise me if it now turned to a yes vote. Not sure how I would feel about that.
I was a No and would (will?) still be a No in any Indyref2.
There won't be an Indyref 2 tho. It would be madness. Voter fatigue, potential further chaos and further uncertainty would seriously backfire.
I said this on another thread:
I voted remain
I also voted No to Scottish independence.
If I could be given a 100% garuntee that Scotland would remain in the EU I would vote yes to an independent Scotland tomorrow. That is how important this is to me.
It's a hard one to take when your entire country has voted to remain to think that we will have no choice but to go with the leave camp. And yes, there are only 5million or so of us up here, but I think it's clear that we all spoke with the one voice yesterday.
I genuinely feel a lot of the leave voters did it for all the wrong reasons. And have shot themselves in the foot. England probably will leave the EU, but this could be the beginning of the end of the U.K. And I wonder if that is really worth it.
I was a no. I'm not as certain now. But as pp said, the unanswered questions are still unanswered
I voted remain and no - staying in the EU was one of the main reasons but the emotional reason was my hatred of nationalism. Now I'm tied to a next door neighbour who has shown their nationalist colours. All this 'Independence Day/I've got my country back' stuff sickens me. Whether it sickens me enough to change my Indy vote though... I dunno. Lots of soul searching ahead.
Add I think you're wrong there. It will happen.
I was a no then will be a no again
What's Nicola Sturgeon going to do if it's another no vote.... best of 5??
I voted yes and I voted remain
we'll need to wait and see what happens now
I voted remain and no. If and when indyref2 happened tomorrow I'd be the first one sapping that yes poster in my window. If I'm honest I still have the same reservations about independence as I did before but see it as the best of a bad bunch. Twice now Scotland has voted and been left with a situation we didn't ask for. We are not heard and not listened to.
I am aware my sudden turnaround is an emotional reaction to today's events and I will do a lot of thinking when the time comes. But right now I can see a big yes from me.
I'm also very pissed off listening to Swinney on the news. "Priority is to honour the votes of the Scottish people last night"
How about honouring the votes of the Scottish people cast 2 years ago! 😡 As usual very selective in what they want to honour.
Lobby, obviously I can't know that there won't be an Indyref 2.
But Nicola Sturgeon will go very cautiously because the currency question still remains. She has said she wants to keep the pound - which is at odds with going into Europe and leaving the UK. However, i think Scots don't want the Euro even if they want the EU.
Plus the big mantra from the 1st ref - 'we're at odds with Westminister' - is not actually plausible this time. Westminister voted with Scotland! It was post-industrial England and Wales that Scotland are out of step with. That is a very different sell in terms of painting a divide that Scots can get behind.
Still no. I voted remain but it was a difficult decision and I think the current EU is undemocratic with unelected commissions, too many presidents it interfering in too many areas. At the moment an independent Scotland would be powerless within the EU and Scots would have less power than they do in the UK.
I would prefer to work for PR in Westminster as Caroline Lucas suggests. Only 62% of Scots voted remain (my area of Scotland was less than this), we're not exactly Gibraltar...
Thanks everyone, it's just useful to see how everyone is feeling today.
I think the majority of the reasons I voted no last time still exist today, it's just that now some of them exist in the uk too so the difference between the yes and no scenarios feels less clear.
I totally agree btw that when it wa said pre ref that a vote was once in a generation that should have been the case.
I was a strong no last time and 100% in my decision.
I might not be next time...
I think as the dust settles the case for Yes will actually get more difficult to make.
Oil is weaker than before. Europe is weaker than before. People will be more not less resistant to large change given the big events of today. They want calm and they don't want to go back to the polls - see the drop in voter turnout.
I voted yes, remain & will vote yes again if & when the time comes. Fear has prevailed over hope again today.
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