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Brexit - would Scots mnetters vote to leave the UK following a fresh referendum post Brexit

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lavenderdoilly Tue 12-Apr-16 18:51:06

Hi, if Brexit happens (I'm for Remain) a fresh independence referendum for Scotland seems likely. Would Scots mnetters be more likely to vote for independence with the prospect of EU membership?

Alwaysinahurrynow Tue 12-Apr-16 19:20:39

Absolutely not. We had a referendum in 2014 to stay as part of the U.K. In any case, if people do not want to be ruled by Westminster, why would they want to be ruled by the EU? I just can't get my head round that at all. In addition, there is no guarantee that Scotland would not have to go through the entry process. Brexit would happen much faster than a Scotland/RUK separation.

lavenderdoilly Tue 12-Apr-16 19:24:10

Thanks. Any more for any more.

lavenderdoilly Tue 12-Apr-16 19:28:38

And Always, are you prepared to say whether you are Remain or Leave?

TheTroubleWithAngels Tue 12-Apr-16 19:28:53

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

glasg0wmum Tue 12-Apr-16 19:31:35

Never, never, never.

I think we should stay in the EU. But I would rather be part of the UK and out of the EU, than independent and in the EU.

I loathe the SNP with every fibre of my being and loathe that they are already rumbling about starting to campaign for independence again in the summer rather than doing what they're paid to do and govern the bloody country.

peggyundercrackers Tue 12-Apr-16 19:38:02

I will vote for us to leave the Eu but want to stay part of the U.K.

As pp said it doesn't make sense to shout about governing the country ourselves but then sign up to the Eu to take all our law from them - we may as well get rid of all our MPs if that was the case.

lavenderdoilly Tue 12-Apr-16 20:30:44

Thanks for all your frankness.

Sgoinneal Tue 12-Apr-16 20:38:59

I don't think it's contradictory for people to have differing views on the two unions Scotland is part of - some wish to leave the EU and remain in the UK, some to leave the UK and remain in the EU. Not confusing to me in either case - in fact both a step forward from the current state of four tiers of government which is arcane and unnecessary in the least.

I'll be voting to remain. And I did vote yes in 2014, but Brexit and any future indyref would not be tied immediately together in my mind.

I'm not an SNP member or voter and I think the outcome should be respected, though I also think if things genuinely change, because of Brexit or otherwise, and people clearly want it that's only fair too. I don't see that happening at the minute.

OneMagnumisneverenough Tue 12-Apr-16 21:26:19

Hmm, who is it you are collecting the info for?

For the record I wouldn't want another referendum, if there was one I'd still vote no. Whether UK is in or out or.out of the eu doesn't change that. The Euro won't be handing us a free pass to Go as an independent Scotland regardless. And I agree that wanting to not be ruled by Westminster and wanting to be ruled by Brussels just seems fucking mad and unjustifiable by logic. The SNP just hate the English, there is no other rational explanation.

I haven't decided what I'm voting for in the EU vote yet.

cdtaylornats Tue 12-Apr-16 22:39:09

I am leaning towards voting to stay in the EU, but the SNP has made such a fuss about Scotland being pro-EU I am tempted to vote to leave. Sturgeon has nailed her colours to the wall and if Scotland voted to leave she would have to resign.

OneMagnumisneverenough Tue 12-Apr-16 23:08:04

True cd, but then Scotland isn't voting, the UK is.

LassWiTheDelicateAir Tue 12-Apr-16 23:53:53

Absolutely not. If there is another referendum to break up the UK I will vote no, regardless of what the EU vote is.

I'm very suspicious of Sturgeon. I think she will sabotage the Remain in campaign. It suits her agenda so much more for there to be a no vote in England and Wales.

LassWiTheDelicateAir Tue 12-Apr-16 23:55:17

And I agree that wanting to not be ruled by Westminster and wanting to be ruled by Brussels just seems fucking mad and unjustifiable by logic

Yes. Exactly.

lavenderdoilly Wed 13-Apr-16 06:12:23

For what it's worth I'm asking to inform myself. I'd hate to see the breakup of the UK and Brexit makes me fearful that Scotland would want to leave the UK. One of the reasons I plan to vote remain is to avoid the risk of a second independence ref for Scotland.

prettybird Wed 13-Apr-16 14:14:41

Could be interesting if England narrowly votes to leave and it is the strength of the "Remain" vote in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland that keeps the UK in the EU. hmm

Sgoinneal Wed 13-Apr-16 14:24:50

Heard it described somewhere as 'London and the Celts' voting to remain. Interesting indeed.

wibblewobble8 Wed 13-Apr-16 14:36:10

id vote for independence again, as i did in 2014. dont think another independence vote is specifically tied to the eu vote but i do think there will be a lot of backlash if uk remains in eu due to the amount of Scottish votes pro eu. (aware that it is a UK vote but that'll not stop the Scottish getting the blame similar to the blame given to snp voters when labour did not win. Tbh i dont think there will be another scottish independence vote until polls say something like over 65-70% are in favour of it. Sturgeon has already said that there will be no independence vote until there is a majority wanting it otherwise it would be political suicide. i dont know if coming out of the eu would shore up more or less votes for scottish independence. I did read that a majority of farmers/land owners voted no to Scottish independence as they were afraid that S.I would mean automatically coming out of the EU and they stood to lose a lot of financial benefits had that happened.

HazyMazy Wed 13-Apr-16 15:26:37

I read an article which said that the Quebecian nationlist party (who wanted independence from Canada) tried the 'we could have another referendum' ploy (previously they'd lost like the snp) and in the end lost votes as the consensus was that the referendum vote had caused divisions and economic instability and no one wanted to go through it again. So NS needs to tread with caution.

Boogers Wed 13-Apr-16 15:31:25

Sorry to butt in but does anyone know how the question will be phrased on the voting ballot? Will it be yes to leave or yes to remain?

HazyMazy Wed 13-Apr-16 15:41:49

I voted pro Independence but now would vote to stay in the UK having seen the Scottish Debates. And I think that the Scottish parliament is so busy rushing through stuff which puts huge demands on a floundering public service that things will get much worse before someone with some experience of life and business has some say in the scottish parliamentary decisions.

Hardly any of the party leaders even have children. Not that that is an absolute rerquirement but I have to say that pre and post DCs I am a much more pragmatic and down to earth individual. Your airy fairy theories get a good bashing whilst child rearing - something our leaders have yet to go through. They are busy carrying out their experiments and theories on Scottish life and Scottish people, by inflicting ill-thought-through ideas, at our expense!

Not saying Westminster MPs are a shining example, but England has 10 times the pop of Scotland ie 10x the pool to catch a few brainy fishes, this is lacking here and the outcome imo is scary. Thankfully I and my family can afford to move elsewhere should we need to.

Got a bit carried away there - so now I would vote No to EU, and no to Scottish Independence.

wibblewobble8 Wed 13-Apr-16 15:55:24

Not saying Westminster MPs are a shining example, but England has 10 times the pop of Scotland ie 10x the pool to catch a few brainy fishes, Unfortunately it doesn't work like that, Westminster is a elitist club, and who you know or who you went to one particular uni with is what counts. Not saying Holyrood is perfect but it is a far cry from the boys club that Westminster is.

HazyMazy Wed 13-Apr-16 16:08:22

Yes, good point.
I think it is the fact that our MSP leaders seem to me to be young ideallists. The policies seem naive and no one has the air of authority or air of experience to stand up and call them on some of the changes being made. But we aren't a university debating club - 5 millions lives can be affected by the changes made.

Certainly the cuts are making huge changes where i live to almost everyone - education, cutting buses, Social services, but no talk from Edinburgh on fixing that at all, just criticism of Westminster, and more hoops of legislation (wonderful in theory though they are) eg keys for life, named person, more inclusivity for transgendered people etc being implemented year on year. Someone should stand up and say - hang on a minute........ but no they are all too busy proving how generous and caring they are without offering the true funding required to implement all this. They just want to be able to stand up on the world stage and say look how socialist/ inclusive/ forward thinking I/we are.

howabout Wed 13-Apr-16 17:13:53

Hazy I just said similar about the lack of parents among the Leadership on another thread but having worked in London and the US with the "elite" for the best part of a decade and being a product of Scottish education myself I would disagree with you on intellectual capacity. I think the greater threat is the constant brain drain from Scotland to the rest of the UK and so I have some sympathy with the SNP's dilemma on raising higher rate tax. I wish they had considered that more carefully before they played along so compliantly with the Tory narrative in the UK general election which imo swayed the UKIP/Labour/Liberal split decisively.

In answer to the OP I am narrowly No and Brexit but could live with either / any combination as long as we can stop having referendums and get back to actually running the country.

HirplesWithHaggis Wed 13-Apr-16 17:25:43

For Boogers, The EU referendum question. grin

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