Could do with an outside perspective. I will give more details if necessary but difficult as could be outed due to profession. I'm interested in what people removed from situation think.
Would you let your young child sleep in a house where -a 30yo man is unpredictable when drinking, has form for drinking to excess at family occasions and recently threatened and attempted to physically assault an adult male whilst drunk. So drunk he didn't recognise his own mother (there is a possibility drugs were involved, who knows, and to some extent who cares? Result is same) -not only my 3yo but his 5&7 yo were asleep in the house at the time -he ended being sick all over the room of the room he was sharing with his children so they woke up to vomit filled room. They think he was poorly. -he has a history of anger problems and some violence, however family thought this had been resolved in last few years. Clearly not
Obviously there is a massive backstory. I may or may not go into it, depends if I think my mum will listen. So not drip feeding, but for me this is the core issue. None of the rest is in my control.
I want to say that neither myself nor my son will be sleeping where this person is again. Not now, not for holidays, not for Christmas. I know people in my family will say I'm over reacting. But I know how angry I would be if my son witnessed or god forbid was hurt if his dad put him in that situation.
However I will be told that it is me splitting family, putting mum under more pressure and making her choose.
I feel she has chosen. My job is to keep my child safe and protect him from being in the situations I was in growing up.
My mum agrees the situation is bad but has a blind spot as to how bad.
My brother has created this situation. Not me.
I think he is damn lucky his ex isn't insisting on contact through contact centre. My mum rightly wants to protect his kids but doesn't see how continuing to go through this cycle of bollocking him then business as usual isn't helping.
Yes, I think she needs to know. Her reaction - if she decides contact has to be via a contact centre - might be a wake-up call to him and your mum. You can't be so steaming drunk in charge of young dcs that you don't even recognise your own mother.
Your mother should be able to see how dangerous this is for her grandchildren. Anything could happen while he is so off his face and it should be obvious to anyone that he shouldn't be "looking after" children in that condition.
It's truly shocking that a man would get so paralytic when he is supposed to be caring for children.
Perhaps your mother doesn't want to recognize the truth about her son, but you can see it clearly, and your instinct to protect your child is right and you should try not to worry about other people saying you are splitting up the family.
I, too, grew up around extreme excess of alcohol (and drug use) and violence. I am also a parent.
I am pretty sure, positive infact, that you will not find a single person outside looking in who will say this is in ANY way acceptable, or that you are being unreasonable for wanting to protect your son (and, let's face it, yourself) from this kind of thing happening again.
I also would bet a million pounds that your Mum is carrying a lot of guilt about this: we're Mothers; when our child 'goes off the rails' it's our fault, right?
She needs help too, (as she may well recognise), as one half of a co-dependant relationship. Enabling isn't love and it isn't right. And I suspect she knows this but what else can you do?
I think that's the issue here, isn't it? What can actually be done?
I'm sure you know this but your brother is on a road that doesn't lead anywhere good - you know, all the rockin' destinations such as 'jobless', 'ill', perhaps a detour to 'court' or scenic 'prison' and of course the ever popular 'death' via 'alone'.
At what kind of level is he functioning, usually (and is this the first 'slip' in a while?).
His children need protecting, too, of course. Could be many outcomes of them witnessing this regularly, again, none of them good: learning that this behaviour is ok and normal and so emulated or knowing, even on an instinctual level, it's not ok and the feelings of insecurity that evokes. Children will take on the role of protecting, lying for and parenting their parent. How long before he physically assualts one of them, intentionally or not? Again, another whole can of worms.
At the very least their mother needs to know the full extent of what happened. They thought he was ill? Well, he IS. It's just not a 24 hour stomach bug that will blow over. And his getting well isn't going to be driven by his mother - it MUST come from him and only then is it right to 'stand by him'.
Your son needs positive role models in his life and to be safe (both emotionally and physically). For him to be around this kind of situation is neither. I truly hope your Mum can try and remove the emotion part of what is obviously a very difficult situation for her.
Perhaps you should contact Al-anon as they will have far more experience/advice in a more professional capacity - maybe directing you to services that can help your Mum in the first instance.
Bottom line: you are NOT being unreasonable. Any fracture of the family will not be your fault.
Of course this behaviour is in no way acceptable round such young children. Regardless of the relationship between this man and the children. Father step father uncle or whatever. And you have a right not to want your child in that environment.
Manda, thank you for that very thoughtful articulate post. I guess we don't think of him as an alcoholic, more just never grown up. Maybe we should. But yes, it absolutely has to come from him, it's how we manage while/if he makes that journey.
I will make sure his ex knows what happened so she can make her own decisions about what contact is made available. My mum has a better relationship but if she's reluctant I guess I will have to.
It has been very sobering reading all your comments. I guess we've been protecting his rights as a father rather than those of the children and that has to stop. It's easier to see it stripped of emotion and through the eyes of strangers.