Problems with ds1 due to traumatic birth????????????

[AnotherHelen]

Hiya everyone, my ds1 who just coming up to 5 years old is having problems at school (quite serious ones) i have tried star charts and many many many other things but he doesnt really respond to anything and continues to drive his teachers bonkers! he refuses flat out to cooperate with most tasks and games at school and he either shouts and causes hell or he is just very quiet and cries all day! - i really have treid and treid with him and im am sooo ashamed to admit that i have got to the end of my tether now! its a shame because i know him, he is very kind thoughtful and affectionate little boy, but something is bothering him and i truly dont know what! until someone suggested to me the other day that it could be the result of a traumatic birth (which we very much had with ds1!!) apparently it is becoming a recognised link with behavioral problems, i have never heard of this but i knew if anyone was going to know anything about it, it would be all of you! any ideas? anyone else heard this? im desperate for any ideas/theory's!!

[SoupDragon]

What was traumatic about it? Quick/instrumental deliveries can (I think) cause the bones inthe head to be wonky, giving a permanent headache iyswim, and cranial osteopathy is meant to help with that.

[SoupDragon]

Friend'd DS had a swift birth and she took him to a CO when he was 4 ish and she said she could almost see him go "aaaahhhh" when the CO did whatever they doo.

[LIZS]

Some of the questions on the parental questionnaire when ds' OT did an intitial assessment related to his birth (ventouse, heart decelerations and cord round neck) so it must be something that could have an effect.

[AnotherHelen]

Oh (try to cut long story short!) had 52 hour labour, he got stuck and his heart rate dropping constantly until it stayed down they couldnt decide wether or not to do c-section as he was gone so far down they didnt know which 'way' was best to pull him out! in the end had emergency c-section, lost lots of blood he "scared the Dr's lots" had trouble feeding him had pnd for a very long time afterwards, almost anything that could have gone wrong did

[AnotherHelen]

Hmmm a few people have said recently at his school that it could be a possibilty, if so where do i go and who do i see???

[AnotherHelen]

where can i find a CO? do i have to be refered?

[SoupDragon]

A cranial osteopath specialising in children I think. Personal recommendation is usually best.

[SoupDragon]

Have a look here

[SoupDragon]

Or start a thread "How do I find a cranial osteopath in..."

[Fio2]

my daughter had a traumatic brith and has actually got quite sevre special needs (which i believe have been caused by the birth )

out of interest was there any follow up after his birth? Did he have a fontanelle scan and a CT scan at a later date/ was there ever any worry over his develepomental milestiones?

[AnotherHelen]

Thanks soupdragon! have got a number for one in our area! and no fio2 there was never any follow up or anything! i have to say the whole birth (although things can go wrong, its noones fault) seemed like a disorganised mess! not at any point did anyone ever try and let me or dp know what was going on and even to this day i dont know 100% what actually went wrong as my consultant made absolutley certain i knew not to try a vaginal delivery again! why not? just because ds1 had troubles why does that mean they all will? unless there was more to it than that! i should really request my past delivery notes and have a nose i think! not that it helps ds1 now if it is the problem!

[Kaz33]

Anotherhelen - go for a cranial oestopath. My DS1 had a traumatic birth and we went to see a CO when he was about 6 months, helped his feeding and sleeping.

Also don't underestimate the stress of a bad birth experience even after all these years. It was only when I had DS2 two years later the proper way that I felt emotionally healed from DS1 birth. You could still be suffering the effects all these years later - also CO like to treat mum and child, might do you some good.

[MeerkatsUnite]

Apart from the CO I would ask your GP to refer your son to a developmental peadiatrician for further assessment.

Are school being at all helpful or are they leaving it all up to you to address the situation?. What have school said re his behaviour?.

[FIMAC1]

AnotherHelen

My dd went to see a (recommended) CO at age, because she woke in the night around every half hour - only realised it was odd when ds was 2, and sleeping normally

After first session the CO said there was 'definetly' something he could do and in the next breath asked if she had a difficult delivery (yes, long, induced labour, and ventouse at the end which left awful odema under her skin on her head).

After 3 sessions she slept through the night for the first time, she also had been labelled at school with poor concentration and was quite tearful at times. We also have her on high fish oil supplements which have really helped and have the odd top up CO session annually - she is 10 now and has slept normally since the 3rd session

Good luck - hope you get as much relief from it as we (she) did!

We saw Clive Hayden, he specialises in CO in children - his wife has written a book on it - they are in Gloucestershire.

As a aside my Mum saw him in her 40's - she had always suffered from severe Migraines - he said her jaw was misaligned which was causing it, -turns out it was from her own horrendous delivery, in which she was (eventuallY) pulled out literally by her ear with the forceps, (which went into her one ear and made her deaf) she has not had any migraines since!

[FIMAC1]

Oh - should have read 'aged 5'