Protein powder -suicide -concern for ds

[greenberet]

I am posting here as this is where the majority of my posts have been and my back story is well documented - I have a current thread on here about my Dd www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3283027-Excelled-himself-yet-again

For the last two days Ds has been playing a song "suicide" - I woke up to it yesterday - it freaked me a bit - I asked him why he was playing it he told me it was by a rapper who had been shot Sunday night - whether this is true or not I've yet to google - Ds has history here - he googled how to kill yourself at school and the school contacted me - cunt x dismissed it as a school boy prank. He was also referred to CAMHS but refused to go.

Both Ds and Dd are fully aware of what is currently going on - I do not believe in keeping things from them - I believe they pick up on it anyway and I feel it is more destructive not knowing the truth. The truth right now is pretty horrid.

Ds was due to go to x last night - I had a message saying he was coming back here he had forgotten to take some files he needed for school today. I have no problem with this. What concerns me is that Ds has been on report recently at school for "not achieving what is expected of him" - one of the comments is that he often turns up without his books etc - I believe this is a result of the "two homes" and the continual stress that we are all under as a result of cuntish x.
I have commented on this before.

The question about protein powder and this was just a random thought that popped into my head - Ds has taken to doing weights and is using protein powder to build up his muscles - this is hormone based right - just wondered if there is anything out there that would link protein powder with suicidal tendencies!

I am seeing my counsellor today I shall be relaying all this to her - today I feel drained - I am constantly having to have plan b in case plan a goes tits up - I am either going to grind to a complete standstill or I will explode. If my kids were younger I would take them the hell away - this is too much for them to have to deal with - I fear for their mental health - anyone who says kids do ok in divorce, with two homes etc has not had to deal with the cuntish behaviour of a DF like theirs! Thank god they are lucky!

[somuchunanswered]

No advice re the rest, but there was a rapper shot. My DS told me about it.

[IJustHadToNameChange]

Most protein supplements are based on milk whey or eggs.

There are supplements containing creatine, but they are legal and tend to be in food or pill form.

If he's injecting steroids, that's a whole other story.

[TheEmmaDilemma]

I cannot see protein powders causing that no. Find out the brand and what is in it, but they don't manipulate hormones to that level.

As IJust said, steriods etc. most certainly could be a cause if he is using them.

[TheEmmaDilemma]

Also: www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/06/18/kanye-west-diplo-and-more-stars-react-to-rapper-xxxtentacions-sudden-death.html

[diodati]

My 14 year old was extremely upset by the recent execution of a rapper known as XXX. He's been "acting out" ever since; either depressed and reclusive or aggressive and goady. It's tough.

[Pippylou]

Nope, protein powder is fine. There are hemp ones but even then it wouldn't be psychoactive. Creatine is fine too, found in the muscles, just supplementing the natural amount.

Steroids, as above, totally different & best to do some research. Not legal & therefore subject to all the problems with illegal drugs plus lots of physical symptoms.

[greenberet]

Thanks for the replies - a bit "comforting" knowing other kids have been affected by this -

It's not injecting steroids but is "proper" body building stuff - think I need to research this a bit more - don't really want anything that could affect his thinking right now - I've just made a Gp appointment ( for myself) so will be mentioning this

[greenberet]

Pippylou - thank you - you have my alias under many different forums - I take this as a good sign!

[PanGalaticGargleBlaster]

If it is your standard protein powder from the gym/health food shop it will be 90%+ whey based and a harmless source of amino acids.

If he is using steroids, (which legally are prescription only) then psychological side effects include aggressive behaviour, mood swings, manic behaviour and in extreme cases hallucinations.

What gym is he a member of? Certain gyms attract ‘certain’ people who might not be the best influence on your DS.

[Luckystar777]

No, protein powders, I took them for over a year and no suicidal thoughts but they are often FULL of sugar, which will make him ill if he takes it a lot over a long time, very very ill (I ended up with pre diabetes symptoms and I'm early thirties). I'd beg him to stop taking them to be honest. Well, mood can be affected by things we eat too though so maybe .. does he healthy? Also not good to take synthetic vitamins, it's best to get vitamins from the real foods. Yes a rapper was shot. Is he displaying other suicidal signs?

[Pandora79]

Some protein powder contains creatine. Most don't. Protein powder is not contributing to any of this. Protein powder may have amino acids in but that's not hormones. Again, lots of protein powder doesn't have amino in.

It's possible that if he is into body building, he could be attracted or tempted to do something else such as testosterone boosters or steroids. It's pretty common in gyms.

[greenberet]

Thanks again - luckystar - how do you know if someone is displaying suicidal signs - I have had this question asked of myself many a time - I have got to a point where I despair totally feel at rock bottom - rationally I would never harm myself because of my kids but I think something switches in a persons head and in that instant harm could be done. I believe my Ds is always at potential harm hence why I post on here - I can't be with him 24/7 - I'm doing my best to hope he never is in this situation - there are worrying concerns in his behaviour every now and then - I believe everyone is capable of this if they get to that place - just some are lucky and others not - how you interpret this depends on what you believe!

[BitchQueen90]

I took protein powder daily for a while back, absolutely fine to take although I don't really feel it's necessary if you already get enough protein in your diet.

As for that rapper, he was under investigation for domestic violence and had attacked somebody for being gay so I don't really have much else to say on that.

What did your counsellor say OP?

[PenelopeFlintstone]

My DD has been playing that song since the shooting too. It's tapering off now, thank goodness. A lot of teens seem to be upset by it. Hope your DS is okay.

[JaneJeffer]

DS1 takes protein powder and it doesn't affect him in any way.

DS2 was also upset about that rapper and was talking about him again before school this morning. I pointed out that even though it was awful that he got shot he wasn't that nice of a person as he had beaten up a gay man and a woman.

[Luckystar777]

This link gives a whole lot of info on warning signs of suicide. www.myptsd.com/threads/warning-signs-of-suicide.13740/

Yes, you're right that anyone can become suicidal in their life, the big difference is whether they reach a point of feeling no more fear about actually attempting/doing it.

[Pippylou]

I'd agree about finding out about the gym culture. My gyms have all been healthy eating, etc but a lot of gyms have a distinct culture around steroids (big income source.)

I put protein powder in my porridge.

I went looking for a men's health helpline for you and it turns out there's a specific one for young men.

www.thecalmzone.net/

[Findingmywayeveryday]

My DD was also affected by the rapper being shot more so because she’s worried other rappers will get shot in retaliation. Especially Drake. She’s very worried about that

[Pippylou]

Apparently, the shooting was filmed and is out there on social media...

[JaneJeffer]

Finding there seems to be loads of conspiracies about it already from what DS was telling me. It's like Tupac all over again!

[TeacupTattoo]

The rapper who was shot also is alleged to have punched his pregnant girlfriend so hard she nearly lost an eye...might be useful for your son to find out more about this. Are you maybe thinking of the supposed effect too much soy based food/drink has on males? I've not heard of links to suicidal tendencies but you could research it to help you feel more empowered. Your concerns will be leaving you panicky at the minute, knowledge can help calm you. I hope everything brightens soon.