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Was I right to tell him to leave?

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namechangeregposter · 20/07/2017 21:52

I’ve just had my first period since ds was born a few months ago, and Ive been feeling a little off and low for the last week so my judgement may be off. Wanted to get some opinions.

I just kicked dh out. I was using his laptop (I do use it sometimes with his knowledge) and his email was open on the trash folder. I saw an email there from a woman asking about meeting up. Her tone was very familiar. I searched her name and found a few more emails, and then I did snoop on his work email and turned out she was an ex-colleague who wanted help with a job application, and they’d met a few times. I didn’t like their overly familiar tone (use of nicknames/pet names etc) but I couldn’t see anything else fishy about it.

The thing that upset me was that he had deleted the email about meeting up. We had a minor bust up about it but I said to him if you want to behave like that going forward thats fine but I would rather honesty and transparency about these things. I asked for an apology and he refused, saying the reason he deleted the email was because I was a suspicious person and would have taken it the wrong way. I lost my cool and asked him to leave, he said he would on the weekend but I hounded him and hounded him (over text) until he said he would come home and pack and leave.

He did this before 5 years ago with two other female colleagues and hid the emails (similar circumstances). I haven’t seen his email since so have no idea if this is an ongoing thing he does.

Not to dripfeed but we do have lots of other issues (and have done since we met 10 years ago!) and our marriage while not in the worst shape its ever been in, isn’t the healthiest. He is a great father and a good husband but there are a lot of underlying issues and an undercurrent of resentment in everything. We don’t ever communicate face to face about issues as it just turns into a verbally aggressive slanging match, he in particular is always on the defensive and refuses to admit he has ever done anything wrong.

If you got to the end of all of that - have I done the right thing? Have I made an almost distant marriage even worse by doing this. Was I right to try and get an admission of fault or even just an apology for trying to hide coffee dates with other women? Should I ask him to come back?

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isitjustme2017 · 20/07/2017 22:01

The fact this has happened before, then no I don't think you were being unreasonable. He clearly has 'form' for this and he shouldn't be sneaking around and deleting emails.
It does sound like the fact you have all these other issues, then finding this email has brought everything to a head. If you were happy in your relationship, you may not have reacted in this way.
He hasn't apologised and clearly doesn't think he has done anything wrong and that is what would anger me.
Personally I would let him sweat and use this time to decide whether your marriage is worth saving. Maybe marriage counselling may be worth a shot.

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TFPsa · 20/07/2017 22:12

It honestly turns on your penultimate paragraph. If those issues are a really big deal then you probably did the right thing. If they're trivial then you're overreacting.

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Josuk · 20/07/2017 22:34

It's really hard to tell from your post.

On the surface - a few month old baby, hormonal upheaval, sleeplessness and would make you, possibly, oversensitive to things.

For me - deleting an email asking an ex-colleague to meet - isn't a crime. And, given how you are now - I'd have done the same in his place, and would have cleaned the trash folder.
That - is all assuming that nothing is going on between them. Or, possibly, she flirted and he didn't act upon it.
Which I think is the story here, to be honest.

Demanding an apology and kicking him out for that - for me is a massive overreaction.
But, reading the end of your post - clearly there are other issues that for added to this, and these emails were just used as a catalyst and an excuse to vent your frustration.

However, I also wonder (and worry) that being just a few months post-parting - and mentioning that you've been feeling low - you may also be depressed. And might regret these decisions later.

I don't think it's possible to really know what is going on.
When I had PND - it was quite clear as it hit me like a ton of bricks.
But - many versions are possible.

Take care. Hope you figure it out and find some better balance.
A baby changes all relationships. And it takes time to adjust as a couple. Coming into that with some prior issues is not easy. But - not impossible, either.

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namechangeregposter · 21/07/2017 00:09

Thanks for the thoughts- I dont think anything is going on at all, from what I can see. My dh is a very friendly person, and women from his various workplaces seem to love giving him affectionate nicknames/flirt with him, but otherwise I haven’t seen any other signs.

Re PND, I dont think I have it, this is my second dc and I've felt on cloud nine tbh, in very good spirits generally and loving motherhood second time round. I have definitely had PMT starting a week before my period arrived though, with my first dc I had to take medication for it to feel like myself again.

I think josuk, you're right, this is a relatively minor issue but almost symptomatic of the other issues we have. I feel like by not apologising he is treating me with disrespect, which is how I feel generally since baby arrived.

I guess I am angry with him for all the other things and its coming out through this issue - by resisting he's almost enabling me to show that I am angry and I am upset - I usually avoid lasting confrontation as I dont have the stomach for it.

Our other issues include - but not limited to - his viewing porn even though he knows I’m not happy with it. He had erectile dysfunction for the first 4 years of our relationship, and it was due to excessive use of porn. He doesn’t have that issue anymore but I know he is still using porn to some extent, and one of the things that has arisen from that is his interest in practices that I do not wish to take part in, resulting in some tension and I would say incompatibility sexually.

He also has an air of resentment about him, he helps out a lot with the children but when given the chance, e.g. in passing comments to friends and family, gives me the feeling that I am forcing him to do so. He can be very snappy and rude, talking sharply to me over trivial matters and with an aggressive tone in front of my pre-schooler. This can be constant which makes me feel really down. These issues are a big deal to me but I’ve almost given up hope of improvement and dont know what to do next to try to improve matters.

I really want him home now but Ive picked up the phone a few times to be confronted by his last text to me which pisses me off all over again. Also I know it will be the same old if he comes back. Do relationships improve after a period of separation?

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Whyiseverynameinuse · 21/07/2017 01:19

Sorry OP, you sound well rid. Those other issues are big ones and he doesn't sound grown up enough to deal with them. I'm in a similar position and I know it's a really hard decision to make but probably the right one Flowers

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namechangeregposter · 22/07/2017 10:42

Thank you - I have told him it's not just the fact that he deceived me in the same way again, it's his aggressive attitude towards me

I've told him to find more permanent accommodation and to make plans for when he will see the kids. I veer between telling him to come back and forget it all and wanting to make this split permanent. I must have lost my self respect to want to go to him and apologise for this situation Sad

whyis I hope unlike mine, your partner is willing to resolve the situation with you

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Josuk · 24/07/2017 15:23

Poster.... what is clear from your description is that you are unhappy. And you don't mention if you still love your husband.
What's not clear if this is a real deep unhappiness, or something aided by the stress and hormones if having a second baby.
(My depression, btw happened with my second baby)

A little over a year ago you decided to have another child with this man.
Same man, who watches porn occasionally (personally, I don't see that as an issue if it doesn't affect his performance with you);
same man who is interested in kinkier things than you (his right, as is yours to refuse);
same man who resents helping around (my H, calls it babysitting when he stays with kids when I am out. Men, even evolved ones are weird this way. 🤷🏻‍♀️)

It is, of course, your life. And if you are unhappy - your right to make changes.
All I am saying - just be sure that nothing else is influencing how you feel. As at this point, this decision of kicking out your H - also affects two children.

And the last little point I wants to make about the actual original argument - about demanding an apology. I remember a long time ago watching this program with that crazy Super Nanny, or smth. And her saying - when kids do something wrong - never demand an apology. Because at that point it becomes a battle of wills and one person is trying to have an upper hand and control the other by doing that. It's no longer about the actual offence.
Made sense and the same applies to adults

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scottishdiem · 24/07/2017 15:31

Its clear you have broader issues in the marriage.

I cant see, on the surface anyway, what he has to apologise for. But then I in the school of thought that says men and women can be friends and help each other.

However, this seems to be one of many things that are problematic or worse so perhaps is time to end the marriage.

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Justhadmyhaircut · 24/07/2017 15:34

I doubt letting him back and forgetting it will work. .
There will be a next time. .
He seems to need his ego stroked by other women.
Are you not worth more than that?
Hardly a fine example to his dc of commitment.
And from you being a doormat either. .

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Whyiseverynameinuse · 24/07/2017 16:47

Sadly not OP, and I think I'm better off alone than with a useless manchild who never took responsibility for anything in our relationship. And tried really hard to lay blame at my door.

I stuck with it for 15 years and it nearly finished me off in terms of mental health and has had huge impact on our dc, which of course he denies. We talk through solicitors for time being. It's awful but I still think it's better than staying with a manipulative, emotionally stunted toddler. I hope you find peace with your decision Flowers

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