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'd'm - wtf do i do??

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wispa31 · 22/10/2013 21:40

right, where do i start? ive not been on much recently due to having my baby nearly 6 weeks ago. this is going to be an epic post so apologies in advance ladies!
i had posted on here previously about my dm, who has turned the arrival of her dgs into a competition with the ils. there was also a comment or 2 about the fact dps family is catholic. (we are protestants, though they are total non believers, i have been going recently with dp to mass and quite like it.)
because of the comments she has made i was worried that there would be issues over him being christened in chapel. these worries have now been made real. i had tried to have a chat with dm last week about it, i had tried to keep it light and told her we were having him christened and that we wanted my db to be his godfather, (had thought this would have helped keep her happy).
she then goes off on one, wanting to know why it has to be in chapel not church. (i couldnt care less where it happens as wether its a church or chapel they are al the same to me - a place of worship.) as it is, i dont belong to a church, but his family all go, so makes sense to have it there. she also has issue with his name, it is an irish name, that i chose, just because i liked it and wasnt a common name, not because it was irish and i never thought for a min she would take issue over a name, 'you cant even give him a normal name!' i aksed if it was because it was irish name and she said yes!!
she has also taken issue with his mum and dad for stupid reasons, his dad due to some silly comment he made the first time they met, and his mum i think because when she initially was told i was pg she a little upset, she has very strong views of sex before marriage etc, which is fair enough, that was the way she was brought up, she is older generation (iner 70s) and back then it just wasnt done to have children out of wedlock, regardless of religion. she then tried to tell me she doesnt agree with chapels or catholic schools and when i asked her why she said ' do you not watch the news??' so, i presume shes on about all the abuse stuff that has came out recently. she tried to say because of that she wont be going, even though the week before she was in chapel for her catholic best friends mums funeral, and also for said friends sons wedding couple of years back. so, dm goes home in a huff.
i never said to dp had spoke to her, in the hope i could try ad bring her round.
fast forward to sun eve. dp mentions that we need to get ds registered this week, as he is nearly 6 weeks old. the christening comes up. he askes if ive spoke to my folks, i lie and say not as yet. he then tells me i really need to before we arrange anything as he isconcerned they might not be too happy. he went on to say that while he wants him to be brought up to believe in god and have faith etc, he doesnt want it just to be catholic as we are mixed ourselves, he wants him to be brought up to understand and know about both, and to learn tolerence to others etc. he said we can do it week about, one week in mass, church the next, that he wont necessarily to go to all catholic school and that there are loads of integrated schools where we are, so that he can mix etc. he wanted to make it clear to them that its not all his family dominating and that it will be strictly catholic and that theyve nothing to fear.
i was then kicking myself wishing id waited til we chatted before speaking to dm. i stupidly thought my dm would actually see some sense in where we are coming from but no. spoke to her again y,day and her reason y,day was because 'we dont believe in it, you and db werent christened, it didnt do u,s any harm so why should he be christened. she is convinced im only doing this to suit him and his family. (im not, id never be bullied into anything, this has been left to me to decide.) and ive noticed that so far she hasnt called her dgc by his name. i tried explaining everything me and dp talked through but she was havng none of it. all she kept saying was 'thats what it looks like from here'
she also made some comments about dp which has left me thinking she has serious issues with him too. i only told dp that they werent going as they are non believers, he asked if it was due it being in chapel and i had to tell him yes. we are both disappointed (im mortified if im honest) and now worried that this may make things difficult for me and dp. i dont know what to do, i forsee me and dm falling out, and i will stop her seeing ds if this breaks up my family and if she doesnt start using his name.
any advice greatly appreciated, if you have got to the end of this post then hats off to you!!
tia
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perfectstorm · 22/10/2013 22:26

Frankly I think you need to say you love her and she will always be invited to things and welcome to be involved, but she doesn't get to dictate to you on how you bring your baby up. You choose the name and you decide where and if they will be christened. Your child, your choice.

She's being a pain, but you can't win with this one unless you give in - and then there'd always be something else she wanted to make you do. It would never end. Just do things your way and be kind but firm with her. I don't see you have any other options, really. It's hard though and I am so sorry.

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Bogeyface · 22/10/2013 22:35

She is going on and saying she is not coming in order to blackmail you into changing your plans. Dont do it. Invite her to everything but if she turns you down dont get drawn into discussion just say "I am disappointed that you wont be coming but I understand your reasons" She cant have an argument on her own, but if she tries to needle you then say "I am sorry you feel that way but we have made our decision".

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RandomMess · 22/10/2013 22:38

"You had your choices in bringing db and I up, now we are having our choices for our son"

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tribpot · 22/10/2013 22:40

I'm not sure I understand who the 'we' is in 'we are protestants' - you mean your own faith is protestant, since you were essentially brought up by atheists? But they appear to be anti-Irish and anti-Catholic, although in reality using this as an excuse to be anti-your-DP.

It has absolutely bugger all to do with your mum how you choose to raise your own child, and how and whether you have him christened. She is clearly used to being able to control you through obligation and guilt and is hoping to break your will by refusing to attend the ceremony. It's very important that you not give in, and there is no need to attempt to reason with her further. You and your DP, the parents of the child, have made a decision which you are happy with, end of.

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wispa31 · 23/10/2013 13:06

Tribot - this is what doesnt sit with me is that they dont believe in religion yet she is being very narrow minded n bigoted?? Why the prob if she doesnt believe in it? She def has taken issue with his family n also dp, for what reason over dp i cant fathom. I wont be invuting her to any other occasions in church as there is just going to be a row every time and i cant be bothered and dont need the stress. I spoke to db about it and even he thinks shes beung childish.

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weloveourfamily · 23/10/2013 14:04

I could have written your post exactly. Im protestant dp is catholic and am bringing ds up catholic. Ds is one now. He was christened in feb. My mum did go to the christening and i wish she hadnt now. She is the exact same as your mum. She talked all the way through the service laughing at the service. She then distanced herself at another table at the meal after. She was meant to take ds that night and then refused. We fell out as she disrespected me so much that night. I had to make the effort with her to try keep her in ds life. Wish i hadnt now as it caused so many arguments it wasnt worth it. At the end of the day it is up to you how you raise ds. If she is not happy and says she wont go even for ds your better without her and the trouble she seems to bring.

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LegoStillSavesMyLife · 23/10/2013 14:06

She needs to get a grip.

My children are christened because it was important to DH and his family. The deal struck was that I was happy to have them christened but no Sunday school. I don't think my family were too impressed with it (atheists with a capital A) but they on the most part came and behaved themselves.

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tribpot · 23/10/2013 18:36

Yes, likewise Lego. My family are atheist with a capital A but if anyone had married someone religious, or become religious themselves, the rest of us would STFU and go with what they wanted.

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wispa31 · 23/10/2013 18:53

Welove its shit isnt it! I wont win whatever i do and i just hope this doesnt change things beteeen me and dp. He has already said this will make things difficult as she isnt going to accept him being christened catholic. I dont think she would be mean/stupid enough to treat him any different as i would stop her seeing ds if there was any hint of that. Dp will probably want to try and chat with her but when mood takes her (and i think it will) she resorts to being nasty and spiteful and bringing up other stuff that has fuk all tp do with the convo.
She has already threatened to tell him exactly what sge thinks if i dont tell him the truth about why they arent going, saying she diesnt give a shit who she offends. She doesnt see how this puts me in a really difficult position.

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tribpot · 23/10/2013 19:20

Well why wouldn't you let her tell him? Why be blackmailed in that way? your DP can be forewarned that she is going to be extremely rude to him, she says what she says, and then you judge whether you wish to have further contact with someone who is unable to accept your DP's choices.

It sounds like your DP isn't aware of the content of your conversations with your mother. He should be.

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 23/10/2013 20:09

I remember your previous post, of all the times to kick off and be objectionable she's really timed this to perfection Sad.

She has her ranty goggles on and she'll only end up hurting herself, long term. It's a kind of power trip she's on but you're not living your life to torment her, you're settled and happy and now a mum. So these things aren't up for discussion, they're happening, and you can compromise here or let her win there, but she can like it or lump it.

Personally i wouldn't let her in on any details if this is how she reacts. Easy for me to say because she's not my mother but your DH and DS come first now.

If she wants to be offended, she will be.
If she starts in on DP, or his family or background, tell her you're not listening.
In a funny way I bet she and DF raised you better than the way she's acting, she might be ashamed of herself eventually.

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skylerwhite · 23/10/2013 20:10

Are you in NI, OP?

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perfectstorm · 24/10/2013 01:00

Susan Forward has a book on toxic parents, OP. I think you might benefit from reading it.

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prettybird · 24/10/2013 01:07

Even before I'd read the responses, my thought was, "Your child, your choices, she should butt out"

And I agree that you need to read "Toxic Parents" - unless you come to terms now with how you need to set boundaries (because she doesn't understand them), you will lurch from one crisis to another in your relationship with her and, more importantly, it will spoil the precious early years with your ds Sad

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wispa31 · 24/10/2013 19:06

I wont be discussing the christening any further with her or any future functions, ie communion etc. She has made her views clear. However, theres still the issue of his name, dp and i were talking last night, he has also noticed that neither of them have called him by his name. Thats not on. They cant think im going to let him grow up with them not ever using his name.
Dp has also warned me this will put a strain on our relationship, which is what i dont want to happen. Family is very important to him as he and his family are very close. He doesnt want me to fall out with mine, i havent as yet, but im not about to let her be the reason we break up. This will only be a strain on us if we let it.
I will be looking into that book on toxic parents, had been
thinking about it ever since seeing some of the threads in this section.

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Jengnr · 24/10/2013 19:51

Why will it put a strain on your relationship? Stick together and distance yourself from her.

She's the problem. Let her deal with it on her own.

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tribpot · 24/10/2013 19:52

But there's nothing you can do to force her to say your ds' name. She knows that and knows that it will drive you batshit if she doesn't do it. The only thing you can do is completely ignore it. They can't possibly 'win' - his name is his name. They only have any power if you let them have it.

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HellMouthCusty · 24/10/2013 19:58

sorry your mum is a loon creating drama around herself where non exists

she doens't want to come - fine leave her out see where that gets her

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wispa31 · 24/10/2013 20:11

Jengnr - yes, why should it, as i said, it will only if we let it. There isnt any way round this other than to disengage with her completely as it will only result in more rows and stress which neither of us want/need.
As for his name il be making it clear that we wont be changing it, so they will just have to deal with it.

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wispa31 · 24/10/2013 20:18

Hell - yes, completely agree! Shes a nightmare. She doesnt bother with any of her family other rhan 1 sister, she says its cos they dont bother with her, but Only cos she has fallen out with them over stupid things. As my df once said she,d start a row in an empty house! Takes the silliest minor things personally and gets all bitter over it and never lets it go. My dps 5 yr old niece is more mature than she is.

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