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My H is a wanker .... in more ways than one!

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Mumrunragged · 11/10/2013 07:56

I've been wanting to post for ages but was afraid I'd go on too much but it's really pissing my off and need to talk to someone!

There's a long back story so I'll try to keep it short. H had an EA several years ago that lasted around 6 months. He did all the usual; lying, minimising, blaming me, changing stories etc etc. shortly after the discovery our dd became very poorly, was hospitalised and needed our full attention/support. We have a special needs DS who we care for full time. We have 5 DC in total all grown up and 2dgc.

I'm the product of a broken home, my mum had several partners while I was growing up and we were often moving from place to place. I didn't want that for my DC and was prepared to sacrifice my happiness for their happiness and stability.

The EA left a huge trust issue in our relationship which has never been really repaired due to the constant story changing and failure to remember anything on h's part.

I've put all that on the back burner and let it go for the sake of our DC and the commitment and attention they needed. We don't tend to argue very often, and if we do it's usually done calmly and over and done with. Now, I realise I probably checked out of our marriage a long time ago to some extent. It took a while to get over but we got to a stage were we got on fine, had a laugh, was still intimate and had regular

However, even after everything that happened he's still secretive, I discovered a couple of years ago that he had a couple of email addresses that I knew nothing about that he'd set up on his phone, he keeps his phone with him all the time and I mean ALL the time. I obviously had concerns that there could be AW again and asked to check his phone. He got all fidgety and defensive, but on checking there was nothing incriminating. I apologised and let it go and although he's still protective of his phone I've said nothing further about it.

Last year h decided to become a pigeon fancier again (something he did in his mid to late teens). We're now on the cusp of our 50's. Now I wasn't entirely happy about the idea of a shed full of pigeons in the back garden and may immediate response was 'no way am I having those flying round shitting on my washing!'. But in true h style he got them anyway without any further discussion and out in the back garden in a shed thing they went. I wasn't happy but not much I could do once they were there and life moved on.

So, over the past few months h has been spending lots of time with his head buried in his iPad, can't get more than 2 words out of him and seems distant whenever I speak to him. I checked his online mobile phone bill and saw that he's been surfing a lot, usually at times when I'm not at home or when he's walking the dog, or gone out somewhere. There was nothing incriminating in texts or calls so I wondered what the hell he was up to. I mentioned it to him and although he became flustered he said he was on pigeon sites. I asked if he would mind letting me check his email accounts and again although flustered he gave me the passwords. The emails show that he's been buying more pigeons on auction sites some for silly silly money! He promised me at the time of getting the others he wouldn't deceive me and go behind my back again, yet he has.

Now I know this is probably very trivial and could be a whole lot worse, i.e another woman but at least it's not that. It's more to do with the secrecy and feeling of deceit that h lies to me. He said he doesn't tell me things because he doesn't want me to be upset, but surely he realises I'm going to find out at some point!. My response was, would he still think it was ok to cheat on me and not tell me because he didn't want to upset me?. H thought that was a totally different thing and bared no relevance :-/

Anyway, I guess I'm pretty much used to the fact that h does what h wants to do and I have to accept that as part of who he is or leave him!

But the cruncher, has the title suggests. H is a wanker! Now don't get me wrong I'm no prude and have self serviced myself on occasion. But it got to the point where I'm sleeping on the sofa now and don't want to go to bed because it's sickening me. As far as I'm aware it started several months ago. My mum died suddenly last October, she fell poorly with a chest infection on the Friday, was put on life support on the Saturday and was switched off on the Sunday. It was a dreadful time and I became very depressed and withdrawn. H was very supportive at the time but gradually became frustrated with me after a few weeks because he felt I wasn't healing quickly enough. We did have sex occasionally over the first few weeks but I guess I didn't put my 'all' into it because I was still mourning the loss of my mum (who was also my best friend). My sleep pattern was very erratic, I'd wake after an hour or so or not be able to sleep at all then would just zonk on the sofa at the drop of an hat.

It was one night when I'd obviously dropped off and must have been so knackered gone into a deep sleep. I woke thinking it's very quiet but could still see the tv flickering through my half closed eyes. I assumed h had gone to bed and left the tv on for light for me and opened one eye to look at the tv, there was a very erotic porn type film on but no sound. I was quite shocked at this and looked over to see h sat on the chair watching. I made a murmuring, I'm just waking up kind of sound to see what happened and saw the tv flick channels quickly. H said he was just going to bed and did I want a brew making before he went up. I declined and said nothing about the incident and off he went to bed. I sat listening to him getting into bed, then silence, then a few months later I heard movement from the bed, then silence then footsteps across the bedroom floor, the bathroom door open, footsteps back to the bedroom, then silence again.

Ok, now this probably doesn't sound like much but 1, h has always disliked porn and refused any suggestion of it through our 27 years together, he dislikes sex toys or such like and 2, he hardly ever gets out of bed once he's in to go to the bathroom until morning, unless after sex and 3, in all the years we've been together he's never been sex mad and I'm more highly sexed than he's ever been. So, this said I was a little suspicious of what he'd been doing and assumed he'd been aroused by his tv viewing and gave himself a hand. Not a huge problem, although he could have asked me if I was going up to bed with him but never mind!

This then became a nightly ritual, I started to find used tissues in the bedroom bin, stains on the bed sheets and more erotica watching on tv when he thought I was asleep. I noticed he'd moved the tube of lube from its home and was underneath the bed. He begin staying up late, into the early hours, often between 1-3am. The more it went on the more I got pissed off and didn't want to be near him. I eventually tackled him about it and asked if he'd been self pleasuring himself and if so why? He denied it, got all embarrassed, then said it was because he didn't want to pressure me into sex incase I was still upset about my mum. I was a bit taken aback because it was so out of character but just asked him to be a little more discrete re the used tissues in future as I felt it was a bit naughty leaving them there for me to find.

He mumbled some kind of a weak apology and I left it at that. Things seemed to improve over the coming weeks and I got back into a better sleeping pattern. Didn't keep falling asleep on the sofa and went to bed earlier. H still had nights where he stayed up very late into the early hours an I suspected he was watching something erotic when he did eventually come to bed and start trying to poke at me! I'm sorry but I don't feel very obliging right then.

Fast forward last month, Our DD was going out for the evening and asked if we'd have DGD for the night. We happily agreed and spent the evening cooing over said DGD. About 10.30 I got a call from DD asking if it would be ok to come back to ours to stay the night and she'd be home about 2ish, she's not a big drinker and it wasn't a problem so I said it was fine and I'd wait up for her. H went to be strangely at about 12ish and I stayed downstairs watching tv while DGD was in her cot in the spare room. Shortly after h had gone to bed I felt a bit chilly and went up to grab my dressing down from the bedroom, as I walked in h leapt out of the bed like there'd beef an explosion, threw himself towards the window and started rambling about thinking DD was home. I apologised because I thought he'd been asleep and I'd startled him, but sadly no, he was mid wank and had almost shit himself when I walked in on him. I didn't want to cause a row so I came back downstairs and quietly seethed to myself.

When he got up in the morning I said I thought we needed to talk. He avoided me most of the day, keeping himself out of the house so I didn't get chance to speak to him until later that evening. I asked him what was going on and if there was a problem, was sex not good, did I not satisfy him etc etc but he just denied everything and said I'd just scared him walking in when he was fast asleep. I responded with we can't try to solve anything if we don't talk about it but he still denied and said there was no problem, sex was great and everything was fine.

Everything is not fine, I'm now sleeping on the sofa again because he continues to wank on a nightly basis and it's started to sicken me and that's saying something for a woman of my age. I've been around the block a few times and not phased by many things. I've bought sex toys, lubes, sexy outfits etc to spice things up. H is happy to use lubes, body oils etc and likes me to dress up in sexy gear but point blank refuses any sex toy involvement.

I don't really know where I go from here with it all or what I think I'll achieve even by posting this. But tbh I just needed to get it off my chest as I've no one to talk to about it in RL, my mum and h where my best friends and the 2 people I always confided in and spoke to about any issues or problems, probably more my mum rather than h. But now h is so wrapped up in his new hobbies and my mums gone I don't feel like there's anyone else I can talk to, my DC are grown up but I wouldn't talk to them about this!

Sorry it's long and really appreciate you reading if you managed to stick with my rambling x

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 11/10/2013 08:07

The trouble is that, all the time you choose to trap yourself with this man that repulses you, you will feel no differently to the way you do now. You can't change his behaviour because he doesn't appear to care about you (EA, secrecy, etc) and seems to rule the place (the pigeons..) so you're in a no-win situation. It's good to get it off your chest but it doesn't really get you anywhere. When you log out of MN the whole horrible thing is still there waiting for you. Frustration, stress, resentment and self-loathing. The danger is you'll end up sick or on anti-depressants or self-medicating with food, booze or credit cards, just to cope.

I'm not going to say 'LTB' but I think you have to start thinking about it as a possibility.... a light at the end of a tunnel. Your kids won't thank you for making your life a misery on their behalf. There are alternatives.

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Alibabaandthe40nappies · 11/10/2013 08:07

You obviously aren't happy, but I'm really not seeing the issue with a guy masturbating.

The problem now is that it has driven a wedge between you and so has replaced your shared sex-life, and that is a problem.

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Roshbegosh · 11/10/2013 08:08

Can't you just talk about this and get him to sleep on the sofa. If necessary get rid of the bedroom TV. I know you would find the detritus downstairs then but at least you would get some sleep. He sounds horrible actually, he would make me cringe tbh
Can he get an allotment or use the garden shed or somewhere that he can just sit and wank day and night out of the way?

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/10/2013 08:13

No trust - no relationship to my mind.

re this comment:-
"I'm the product of a broken home, my mum had several partners while I was growing up and we were often moving from place to place. I didn't want that for my DC and was prepared to sacrifice my happiness for their happiness and stability"

That was a huge error of judgment on your part and they probably have not thanked you for doing that. There are no prizes for staying and martyring yourself and look where its got you now. You let a lot of his bad behaviours go at great cost to you.

As an aside sleeping on the sofa may well give you back problems. They are not designed to be slept on.

What do you think you have both taught your now adult children about relationships?.

Why are you two still together now?. Is it out of habit primarily or a fear of the unknown on your part?. Where do you see yourself in say a year's time; still with this person?. You've both retreated, surely you do not want to spend the rest of your years on this planet like this?.

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gamerchick · 11/10/2013 08:40

The contempt for this guy ooooozes out of your post. Would you be happy sleeping with somebody who despises you that much?

The wanking is fuck all to do with you.

The way you've worded your post makes me pity him.. despite the things he may have done in the past. For Christ's sake end this relationship before you implode.

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Mumrunragged · 11/10/2013 08:59

Wow! Thank you all for even reading all that let alone responding. I really do appreciate you taking the time.

CES - I know you're right, I self medicated with alcohol after the EA discovery. I'm not a drinker normally, I had an alcohol problem in my teens/early 20's due to not coping well with my upbringing. Counselling helped a lot and I rarely drink now. I've turned to it in extremely tough times but when I do I drink excessively so steer clear of it now. I am on anti-depressants though.

I've thought about leaving him several times. I even kicked him out after the EA. I think I feel sorry for him more than anything, he's a self centered wanker but he's the self centered wanker of my DC & DGC and he's good to them. He's changed a lot over the years, he'll, he was so different when we met, he was loving and caring couldn't do enough for me and very attentive. He blames me for changing him though. He says my upbringing and life issues have been tough to deal with because I can sometimes become withdrawn and cold. I know he's probably right in some respect, I've been hurt badly in the past, the victim of domestic abuse and sexually abused as a child. It's been difficult at times to deal with and I often put a wall up for protection.

H has been the only person in my life that I've let that wall down to, aside from my mum. Even my mum and I had issues which we got over and managed to become the best of friends after.

Alibaba - I'm not anti masturbating, but like you say it's more about the replacement of it on our shared pleasure.

Roshbegosh - I always trying to talk to him about things, I'm more than happy to discuss things and try to solve any problems anytime. Sadly, he's not a talker, he denies and minimises everything. If I say anything he just tries to bat it back to me so I feel like banging my head against a wall. I guess that's why I let things go as much as I do because I feel trying to discuss anything is pretty pointless.

Attila - I know, my back is killing me, I'm having to take painkillers and brufen everyday! Not good :-(
Thankfully our DC aren't really aware of any problems, I'm very keen to show a solid front to them. The 2 DD living with their partners with their own DC have wonderful relationships. Their partners are very supportive, caring and loving, they're amazing fathers and both adore my girls.

I guess I've tried to advise my DC as I would anyone else that a relationship is a two way street, it's not always easy and sometimes you have to work at it but if you both love and care for each other and you both essentially want the same things you'll find a way through the rocky times and strength from each other. I know it's a contradiction to my own life but they'll never know I sacrificed my happiness to stay a family unit. We've never discussed anything inappropriate in front of the DC.

I've spoken to h about any issues I've had and how he sees things from his perspective, is he happy, does he think things are fine etc. he says he loves me, he's happy and that everyone has problems, life's not always a bed of roses he says and everyone argues. He thinks we get on better than most couples. He's not great at communicating, he tries to throw things back at me if I say I'm not happy about something but occasionally he will say he understands and will try harder, although he never does.

Maybe it's my fault, I used to be so bubbly, outgoing and often out spoken. I tend to now just let things go over my head since I know trying to discuss things gets me nowhere.

I don't really know why we're still together, habit? our DS special needs are something I worry about and I don't want to upset him. I know h has nowhere to go if we were to split up and couldn't afford to live alone.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 11/10/2013 09:05

"he's the self centered wanker of my DC & DGC and he's good to them"

He can be as good to them under a different roof to you. You're already on anti-depressants which - to me - is like having a splinter in your eye and taking paracetamol to deal with the pain rather than removing the splinter. About 'self-centred'. I think you have to find the centre of yourself and decide it is more important than him, the DCs and the DGC... you only get one shot at life.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 11/10/2013 09:10

"Thankfully our DC aren't really aware of any problems"

Do you really think that? I don't know how old they are but I grew up in a house with parents that didn't get on. I remember hearing the arguments from downstairs when they thought I was asleep. I remember going to other kids' houses and being quite amazed that their parents smiled at each other, spoke kindly or (shockingly) held hands while sitting on the sofa. That's when I realised how miserable mine were. Their continued unhappiness has coloured my life in a lot of negative ways and I've concluded that 'staying together for the kids' often masks the real reason for sticking around.

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Mumrunragged · 11/10/2013 09:14

H has quite a few irritating habits but I'm pretty laid back and tend to mention them in passing and hope he'll change them. I hate arguing and would much prefer to calmly deal with a situation. I think the anti-depressants help me and keep me chilled!

Sometimes things grate on me and I do have to say something with more meaning to get my point across, he nods and makes all the right noises but nothing ever changes.

When I ask why he doesn't make the changes he promises how does that show me I matter to him. One day I gave him an analogy and said "if I kept leaving my shoes in the middle of the floor and you kept tripping over them and telling me to move them, if I chose not to move them, what would that say to you?" He just shrugged. When I responding with things like that are what make people feel like they don't matter and you don't care about them. Don't you see what you not making the changes you say you will make me feel like? He just squirmed and gave a weak apology as usual.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 11/10/2013 09:17

I think he shrugs and pays lipservice because he knows there are no real consequences to his actions. Nothing bad happens to him. Life bobbles along as normal, you sleep on the sofa for a bit and 'he's all right Jack' wanking away until the dust settles and your tranquilisers kick in. You don't matter... I'm sorry to say. He has no motivation, no incentive to change.

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Mumrunragged · 11/10/2013 09:22

You've hit the nail on the head there, you are absolutely right, there have never been any real consequences to his actions. He does have a life of Riley and he knows it.

I thought things would change after the EA but it's pretty much same ole, same ole now. He didn't really make any real effort after being caught, he was wrong but says things weren't that good between us and he thought he had nothing to lose anyway. But that was a long time ago!

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Mumrunragged · 11/10/2013 09:28

I know it probably sounds terribly unrealistic but I'm incredibly protective of my DC. I grew up in a home where mum and dad, mum and step dad, mum and partner after partner argued and fought. I saw the tears, heard the banging and smashing, being taken from bed into the night sleeping at grandparents, moving to a new house, again and again to know the destruction it had on my life and relationship with my mum. I would never allow my DC to hear or see what I did.

I guess I've never wanted to be with another man, I have no intention of meeting anyone else, starting again and I know some people are going through much worse than me.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 11/10/2013 09:29

''Nothing to lose"... that's the key. You have to be prepared to be the thing he loses. If you present that consequence and he carries on shrugging his shoulders and feeding the pigeons then it's the end and you follow through. If he takes you seriously and shapes up you have a better relationship. But while he has nothing to lose by carrying on as normal, rest assured he will carry on as normal.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 11/10/2013 09:31

" moving to a new house, again and again "

What you're describing is a very dysfunctional situation that was handled badly and repeated over and over. I'm sure, having experienced that, you would handle a split much better. At the moment you're unwell, upset and unhappy. Something has to give, surely?

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Mumrunragged · 11/10/2013 09:42

Honestly, even though he claims to love me, I don't think the thought of 'losing me' would make him up his game. The thought of losing the cushy life he has would bother him more.

I'll attempt to talk to him again today, when he bothers to get up! but not really sure what I can say that will make a difference. I feel like I've said it all before to no avail. He just brushes it off and says 'don't be stupid'. He says it's like I'm expecting some kind of perfect life like in the movies and that's not what life's like. It's really irritating when someone tries to tell you how you're feeling and what you want and doesn't listen to how they are actually feeling or want.

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JoinYourPlayfellows · 11/10/2013 09:53

He sounds thoroughly horrible and like he treats you as a household appliance that has the irritating habit of trying to express opinions occasionally.

Life can be perfect and like the movies if you're not saddling yourself with a selfish, rude, boring, unfaithful liar.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 11/10/2013 09:54

I wouldn't waste your breath if that's the case. It's not 'a movie' to expect kindness, respect and affection in a relationship. It's not even a perfect life, it should be a given.

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Mojavewonderer · 11/10/2013 11:11

I do have a problem with pleasuring yourself in a marriage unless you are physically apart for awhile. I believe that it can replace sex between a couple and cause more problems than its worth. It's lazy and self pleasing. Not very helpful when you have a partner to think of is it. Anyway aside from that op your marriage does sound a bit one sided. Your husband gets what he wants and you just sit there seething over it. You need to tell your husband how you feel and if that doesn't work then perhaps you should separate for a bit and see if that makes him buck up his ideas.
Good luck op.

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Jan45 · 11/10/2013 11:22

It's not the masturbating that's the problem, it's when and how he is doing it, all very secretive and jumpy and then pretending he isn't. Can't he do what most blokes do and go have a shower and do it then???

Waiting until you are asleep then putting porn on and doing it in front of you is just not on, no wonder he's creeping you out.

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