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What do I tell DC, 5 and 3, about separation?

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angel1976 · 23/03/2013 12:16

So 'D'H drops the bombshell that he is no longer interested in staying in our marriage and no longer loves me etc almost exactly a month ago. You can find my past threads on this using my username. I have asked, ranted, begged him and cried my eyes out to re-consider for the sake of our DCs and for our 12 years together but no, he is not interested. We saw a couples counsellor twice until I cancelled the 3rd appointment as this was the day after he told me that he has already made the decision to leave and he found the counselling pointless (because obviously he is not interested in repairing our relationship). This was last Sunday. He's been to see a few places this week and saw one today that he thinks will be suitable for what he wants (looked at me blindly when I said he needed to think about this carefully, it's leaving the marital home and our DCs, not just this brand-new nice cool flat he has found for his newfound 'freedom'). This place is ready for occupying next weekend. I am reeling in shock. I cried my eyes out last night (for the first time, thought I was coping brilliantly, everyone saying how 'brave' and well I was doing) and will no doubt do so tonight again when he is out.

However, I also know I cannot change his mind. God knows I tried. Just for the sake of my very two lovely beautiful boys. Do I still love him? Probably not after the shit he has pulled on me in the last month. But I would have been willing to do anything to make it work. He cannot see he is in the wrong. He had a 'connection' with someone at work which I have no doubt is the catalyst for him to leave. He says we have let our relationship get bad to the point of no return. Bullshit, in January, we ordered new furniture for our house and booked a holiday for Christmas, not the actions of a man planning to move on so quickly. We don't have a bad marriage as such, just a stressful year and for me, the normal ups and downs of being a couple and family. Anyway, we have actually done a lot of talking and in my saner, more lucid moments, I have 'negotiated' with him over what he has to do that will be 'right' for the children. And for all his faults, I know he will not let our boys 'suffer'. He has agreed to almost all the stuff I wanted - him to live within walking distance away, he will have to have the boys alternate weekends and one night/week eventually (not to begin with despite this breaking my heart!), boys and I to stay in the marital home (which he will continue paying for) for at least the next 2 years till DS2 starts school and is settled in school. We have even negotiated the money issue and agreed on the split of money (not assets, just day-to-day living money/expenses as he earns a lot more than me).

We have plans for the Easter break, which we will keep to. He is taking DS2 for a weekend away to see his sister and boyfriends while I am taking DS1 for a weekend away. And we are going camping as a family the last weekend. But I don't know to break the news to the DCs that their very loved daddy will be moving out? I do pretty much 100% of the childcare in the week and on weekends, we obviously do stuff as a family. So on a day-to-day basis, things will be fine. Nothing much will change for the boys. Can anyone give any advice? Should we just come out with it and say, "Daddy and Mummy don't love each other anymore but we love you both very much so Daddy will have a new home you can go and stay at soon?" I don't think the DCs will process it properly at this age. Should we just leave it or press the point till they understand once we have told them? And should we be making it out like it's an adventure for them? They can choose what toys to take with them to live in Daddy's house? I really don't know how to play this. I just want to make this as painless for them as possible even though it's breaking my heart to tear their world into pieces... :( For anyone who's been there, please advise and Thanks.

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BeingAWifeIsNotForMe · 23/03/2013 12:36

I would go for the adventure angle, maybe initially if he will be within walking distance, h could still play a daily part in bedtime routines assuming he does currently.

I'm currently trying to explain to dd where daddy has gone but to be fair she doesn't seem too bothered by it, as he wasn't always home from work in time for bed, and worked at least part of every weekend.

There will be others along with far better advice than me. Thanks and (((((hugs))))) to you and your boys. Don't be hard on yourself, this was not your doing x

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 23/03/2013 12:39

That age I think you simply present it as a fact that 'Daddy is going to live in a different house ' and make it sound like a great idea. I don't think you go for the 'love' angle unless they ask... they won't get it I don't think. However, of course, if they ask any specific questions answer as honestly as you can in an age-appropriate way Make out that it's 100% normal and they'll probably go along with it.

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angel1976 · 23/03/2013 12:50

So it's okay to present this as 100% normal'? I think that's best at that age but will be it damaging for them long-term? I know there's no 'win win' situation here. If I make it out to be devastating, they will think it is and it will be awful all round. But if I make it out to be 'normal', am I going to bring up two boys who will not give a toss about marriage and think their father leaving is 'normal'? Or am I over-thinking this for their ages? 'D'H is not back that much for bath/bed routine though he does make it for the bed bit 2-3 times a bit. I was thinking in the initial days (before sleepovers at his), to ask him to come over on a set day (Wednesday) so he can have dinner with us as a family and then he can put DCs to bed while I go and do an exercise class? Is that a good idea? And for him to come bright and early on Saturday or Sunday to have breakfast to see the boys and take them out? Eventually, once he gets the right furnishings in the house, they can start with the sleeping over bit and we do the alternate weekends and once a week thing... Sorry, obviously never experienced this or know anyone who has (actually, wrong, I do know a single mum and she has already spoken to me lots but her and her ex separated when their little girl was 1.5 so there wasn't any 'explaining' to do as such.

Thanks for the Flowers and hugs, badly needed the hugs and support this weekend. The DCs are away next weekend at my in-laws so it wouldn't be a bad time to move some of 'D'H's stuff out to the new place. On the plus note, the new dining furniture we ordered (and he paid for) in January is arriving on Wednesday so he can have the old set for his new flat! Grin

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angel1976 · 23/03/2013 12:51

And thanks Cogito, you posted on my other thread so thank you for the continued support! Thanks

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 23/03/2013 12:56

Yes normal. 'Normal' when you're 3 or 5 is what your parents present as normal. Normality... plus consistency, reassurance, encouragement, love, etc... is where children derive their security and resilience. As they get older, of course, they'll realise that some kids live with their Dads but they'll also meet plenty that don't, just like them. They'll also meet kids who have lost a parent to death or kids in step-families or kids with two gay parents.... and all of those family structures are entirely normal. There is no one 'right' family format and the traditional nuclear family is certainly not the be all and end all. You'll need to accept that yourself of course because there are enough intolerant types out there that think single parents are appalling as it is. Hmm

Which is why you answer their questions honestly when they come up but don't press the point otherwise.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 23/03/2013 13:01

"I was thinking in the initial days (before sleepovers at his), to ask him to come over on a set day (Wednesday) so he can have dinner with us as a family and then he can put DCs to bed while I go and do an exercise class? Is that a good idea? "

No.

It's important to emphasise that you are now two households and organise things accordingly. He is not a friend now, he's an ex. Having cosy dinners as a family is really you thinking that you can retain the old normality. Maybe you're still holding out hopes that you can get back together. You have to cement the new normality i.e. Dad has time with DCs at his place, you have time at your place... occasionally there is a slight crossover between the two. Otherwise the DCs will be very confused and you will find it impossible to move on.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 23/03/2013 13:02

For the exercise class, get a babysitter...

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MirandaWest · 23/03/2013 13:03

XH and I split when our DC were 7 and 5 so a bit older. In our case there was (and still is) an OW although it took 4 months of procrastination for him to actually leave. Wish it had happened sooner as once he went it was a lot easier to actually get on with life. I tried suggesting places to him but realised that this was his new house and tbh it wasn't really up to me to suggest anything - as long as he pays maintenance to me it's up to him what else he does.

We told them together that Daddy was going to live in another house, a few days before he moved out. Didn't mention the love part as would have made me feel very argh as he definitely didn't love me while I wasn't sure then what I thought about him. On the day he moved in I took them round there for an hour or so and then as it was Easter I took the DC down to my mum and dads house for the weekend and he moved the rest of his stuff.

He has them generally one night in the week and every other weekend although we are both flexible when necessary. He also looks after them here one night a week when I help with a brownie pack. Tbh I hate that now as having him in the house annoys me - we have different priorities on some things like bedtime which is fine when DC are in the "right" house but it frustrates me when I come back and then have to do bedtime.... so I would advise not having him coming over to your house in a "family" way.

It will be fine eventually. It will be crap for a while although for me while there was still a chance of it working out it was more difficult and once he went I just got on with it.

Coming up to 2 years separation now (will be divorcing sooner or later) and honestly it is a lot better than the last years of our marriage.

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MirandaWest · 23/03/2013 13:06

I also will never say about the OW who is a permanent fixture in XHs life and tbh probably better for him than I was. The DC like her and her DC and its good that they have relationships with lots of people.

Doesn't stop me occasionally thinking ill thoughts of course as I am human Grin. I'd be happy to meet her some time but I think she is less keen...

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angel1976 · 23/03/2013 16:23

Thanks all. Very interesting to read all different experiences but yes, we will definitely have to make it all very separate at some point but I guess at the moment, without a moving date or anything, it's hard to see into the future while he is still here. It is all very amicable at the moment, I because of the DCs (have done all my crying and ranting not in front of them and luckily, they are too young to pick up the conversations I have with friends etc) and him because obviously I know deep down, he has done wrong by me and the DCs. I don't hold out any hope of getting back together and neither do I want to, he's hurt me too much for that. Some moments I feel it will all work out, but I do have my wobbly moments while I worry about what the future holds. But I do admit while apprehensive he is moving out so quickly, some part of me is relieved for him to go as I cannot keep up this pretence much longer...

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angel1976 · 23/03/2013 16:25

MirandaWest Thanks for sharing your experience. I feel very similar to you about my DH, he definitely doesn't love me now and while I don't love the him he is now, I did love him very much. So it's good to hear we don't have to do that mummy and daddy don't love each other line...

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