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Physical abuse has stopped for now but is it ea now?

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crashmat Tue 19-Mar-13 16:40:10

Have posted about DH's violence before. He has broken a rib, given me a black eye etc in the past. I'd say in total he has hit me about 7-8 times with low grade sexual abuse thrown in. After a particularly nasty attack last summer I told him to stop drinking (violence only happened when he was drunk) or I was going to the police. He would lose his job if he was convicted of assault. My GP and counsellor both logged the incident on their systems, he doesn't know this though.

I have been working with domestic abuse services very informally since. The lady who I speak to seems to think the ea is still ongoing but I'm just not seeing it. Last night DH was pissed off about an issue with his family and blamed me but it honestly was not my fault. It escalated in him accusing me of being sneaky saying I hadn't told him something that I am sure I did. There have been a couple of other things. He has put a stop to me making a change to my job and he has pretty much made it impossible for me to attend a work team building night away by using the dc's as a reason to say no. Is it easy way out to say ea or just give and take the of a relationship?

I really can't see the wood for the trees so to speak. Have name changed. Any views would be really helpful.

SucksToBeMe Wed 20-Mar-13 21:18:59

Lots of great advice here OP.

My mums best friend who had a abusive husband. This month twelve years ago he stabbed her 58 times,leaving her two beautiful sons without a mother.

OxfordBags Wed 20-Mar-13 21:11:24

OP, anyone who says a child is responsible for being sexually abused is not just emotionally abusive, but a foul, subhuman freak who is not fit to be part of decent society.

Re: your DC. Sadly, yes, by living in a home where their mother is abused so appallingly, they will grow up with no other model of how to behave in their own adult relationships. It's like training daughters to be abused and training sons to be abusers. You were abused and grew up to fall for an abuser and rapist (of you). Seeing their mother being abused is emotional abuse for a child - what hope for them to not internalise that as normal as you once did? Your love is not enough - the love of your family (even if it wasn't as good as the love you tive your DC) was not enough to stop you continuing the cycle. Just because they are not beingpbysically hurt in some way doesn't lessen the likelihood of them growing up to be abused or abusive.

The abuse is all his fault, but by staying, you become culpable of exposing them to abuse and all its terrible effects. This is perhaps the most cruel aspect of being abused, because the father's abuse of the mother emotionally abuses the children and the mother staying and taking the abuse is its own form of abuse too.

The way you live now appears to be true hell - surely leaving cannot be worse? This man is v dangerous if he doesn't even pretend to care that he's hurt you. He is a misogynist and v dangerous. He might well behave appallngly when you leave, but you can and must get loads of agencies behind you.

delilahlilah Wed 20-Mar-13 20:59:55

You can leave him, and he will not find you. You can put legal barriers up. Report anything he does, and keep records of everything. He's bound to say he won't be nice if you split to frighten you in to staying and doing what he wants.
You will find the war easier than you find your life now. Call women's aid, don't wait. Do this quickly, his lack of remorse is frightening.

Jux Wed 20-Mar-13 18:58:07

Crashmat, just imagine having a life where you are not walking on eggshells, where you don't have to appease anyone, where people treat you like an adult, where you are listened to, where others are interested in your opinion, where you can have a disagreement without worrying about being hit or punished in some sneaky way, where you can call yourself what you like on fb, where old bfs can look you up and you can just be friends, where if you need to go out with work then you just get a babysitter.....

The list is endless! Make it yours.

crashmat Wed 20-Mar-13 18:33:54

trib I do see the connection. I have undergone enough counselling and seen enough psychologists to know that my core beliefs and baselines in personal relationships have been skewed. Due to the fact it was a member of my family who sexually abused me I am now certain that what I view as 'family' and the way family members treat each other is not the norm.

It kills me to think that I am exposing the dc's to abuse. I know all about the cycle of abuse and thought because I was not actually carrying out the abuse my self they are protected. I can see now that exposing them to my marriage is harmful.

EggyFucker Wed 20-Mar-13 18:28:26

Crashmat, you need RL help to leave this man.

Please access it. The help is there, if you really want it.

If you don't think you are worth it, think of your children. They deserve not to have these damaging lessons as their only example of how men and women interact in the home. They will think this is normal.

tribpot Wed 20-Mar-13 18:18:14

Crashmat do you see the connection between your childhood abuse and the fact you have ended up with an abuser? Please make a different choice for your children.

Rationally you must know you aren't to blame for the abuse you suffered - and suffer - but I appreciate how difficult it must be to fight the conditioning after what amounts to a sustained campaign of torture. You have retained enough sense of self to know this is wrong. You can break out still. Keep posting.

cjel Wed 20-Mar-13 18:05:40

NO NO NO. You are not to blame, but your abuse is in a way, as you grew up believing you were worth being mis treated. Start to listen to the positive msgs in your head and don't listen to that dark side of you. YOU ARE NOT TO BLAME> YOU ARE WORTH GOOD TREATMENT > Please repeat that over and over until you start to take it in. See a counsellor and they will help you unpick your dark stuff so you can be at peace. I too was led to believe that it was my fault because of my childhood. I no longer believe it and love looking after myself. Like the ad says 'Because you are worth it'xxx

crashmat Wed 20-Mar-13 17:56:54

Delilah I hear you. There is no way I would tell him directly I am leaving. It is too unsafe. I would just go.

It's the fallout after that I am very concerned about. Last time he hit me he didn't even bother with an apology. It was my fault because I had spoken out of place. There would be no pleading for me to come back, it will be war. He has already said if we were to separate he would not play nice.

I think this is what is holding me back from walking now. I need to find the resolve and emotional resilience to deal with it. I'm not sure if I have that. He told me that my childhood sexual abuse was my fault, I ask people to hurt me. I can't just turn away from that. I have on one shoulder the rational me saying nonsense, on the other I have the dark part of me wondering if that could be true.

delilahlilah Wed 20-Mar-13 17:42:00

Very seriously crash, you need to make absolutely sure that either he doesn't know you're going to leave or that there are people with you when you do. You need to stay safe. Put together all your important paperwork and either keep it at work, if that is safe, or with a trusted friend / relative.

The level of his control is worrying from your last post. When you do leave make sure he doesn't have passwords for fb / email etc and change your name and security settings on fb again. Make sure you have money in a bank account in your own name that he cannot touch / block. You also need to block him from calling you - changing your phone number is probably best. You will likely get a deluge of text / phone calls swinging between anger and self pity - it's easier not to be aware of them.

This isn't should you leave, but when you leave. I am not taking this lightly, I've been there and know how hard it is but you are not safe and therefore it is not a good place for your DC. You really need to make this a priority, and make the most of the support here.

Toasttoppers Wed 20-Mar-13 17:20:40

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

crashmat Wed 20-Mar-13 17:16:38

Sorry all, can not post when dh is around because he will be hovering and I have been working.

I have given the matter so much thought last night and today. I was trying to work out why I didn't leave at the first punch and why indeed I am waiting for him to attack me again so I have permission to leave. I think he has controlled so much of my life for 8 years that it doesn't feel normal to make such a fundamental decision about our marriage without his input. I defer to him about whether or not the dishwasher is full enough to turn on or if I can put a lamp on so to make a decision like this without his permission seems so wrong. So out of my comfort zone.

Hairtearing he was bothered about my name on fb 'in case old boyfriends track you down.' I have never ever cheated on him.

Thanks everyone for your words of encouragement, it is hard to process this when I have the normal everyday needs of 3 dc's and a job to do. I can't give it the time I need because I keep being interrupted!

hellsbellsmelons Wed 20-Mar-13 16:00:33

I'm so sorry you have sufferred for so long at the hands of this vile man.
Oxford puts it perfectly.
Please try to listen to all the advice on here and what everyone is saying.
So many of them have been there and really do know what they are talking about.
Good luck - I wish you well for the future with your DC but it must be well away from this man!

Flibbertyjibbet Wed 20-Mar-13 11:42:21

Is it a knee jerk reaction to a bad night or a final straw breaking your camel's back.

Thats how it was with me. Ex dp whined and whined to everyone that I had left him because of one small incident. what he didn't tell people was that it was the last incident in 5 years that I was prepared to put up with.

he is controlling your work, controlling your mind. I bet you still walk on eggshells because you say that you are still frightened of him. You are not a rubbish mummy. If you are already working with a DV worker then she can help you get out of there ASAP.

Do your dc's really adore him? THey will be frightened of him too. What you see as adoration is them trying to please him to keep him happy so he won't kick off at them.

Just pack a bag today and ring her.

cestlavielife Wed 20-Mar-13 11:27:49

your dc arent able to go to supermarket and sdee dads in a row and say oh yes that ones mine i adore him - they only know what they know.

where do you see yourself in five years time, or when kids grown up? with him? no - he has beaten you and undermines you. you keep him sweet now because you fear his violence...

you dont need to wait for the DC sake - rather it would be better to leave now and let the dc develop relationship with dad separate to you.

it wont be easy - but it will be far ebtter than stayng once you grow free from this control. DC will blossom too.

hairtearing Wed 20-Mar-13 11:21:57

I agree with all others leave him , and I doubt tbh it is the last of PA if you stay.
He doesn't look after his kids? what a waste of space, Out of interest why was he so bothered about your name on FB? is he possessive,jealous too?

delilahlilah Wed 20-Mar-13 11:12:04

I have been in a similar situation. Leaving was the best thing I ever did. I just wish I had done it sooner. You will not believe the relief you will feel, when you are not expecting him to come through the door. The simplicity of not being worried what sort of mood he might be in, treading on egg shells to keep the peace because you are afraid of him.
He might be angry initially when you leave, but immediately after that he will try to get you back in any way he can most likely, so be prepared for him to tell you he can't live without you and all sorts of other emotionally blackmailing crap. Don't listen to it, it is designed for him to get his own way and the status quo would quickly be resumed if you went back. I feel confident saying this, because he is still minimising what he has done to you.
You and your DC will be better off. If he is violent / threatening then he doesn't need your address he can contact you through a solicitor.

LibertineLover Wed 20-Mar-13 11:10:46

Great post TisI

LibertineLover Wed 20-Mar-13 11:05:57

I think you are well on the road to leaving this bastard anyway, just muster the courage, it will be the very best move you ever make for yourself and your children.

Sugarice Wed 20-Mar-13 10:59:07

Please leave him, you are worth so much more than living like this this and you are entitled to a good happy life with your children.

Does he let you lead that happy life the way you want to live it?

TisILeclerc Wed 20-Mar-13 10:05:22

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

OxfordBags Wed 20-Mar-13 09:50:34

OP, he has abused you in every way possible. The physical and sexual abuse should've been enough to leave. You do not need his permission to leave him. You do not need a reason that he will find good enough - even though you have more than enough reasons for anyone to scream 'leave him NOW!!!' at you. You don't even have to give him a reason.

You are scared of him, you daren't 'disobey' him, you alter your behaviour and stop doingnthings you want because of what he says to you and how he says it, your Dc are badmouthing you because of how he talks to you... How is this NOT emotional abuse? It's hardly not abuse, is it, sweetheart?!

There's something more imporant you must understand - living in a home with abuse of the mother is massive child abuse for the DC. Seeing you treated like shit, whether with fists or words is appalling emotional abuse for children. And you know that they know you're being abused, because they're repeating his words. Do you understand that every day your son stay in that home is another percent more likely that he will grow up to be an abuser himself as an adult? Or that any DDs you have will be abuse victims? Do not lie to yourself that you loving them and them loving him means that this is not abusive to them, because it is.

Children who grow up with abuse always appear to adore the abusive parent. This is not a genuine reflection of their feelings, however, because it is simply a survival mechanism - make the dangerous one love me, make sure the dangerous one doesn't hurt me.

Any man who treats his partner that way is a terrible father and should have limited (if any) contact with them. He is destroying any chance they have of normal personalities or futures with every passing day.

ApplyYourself Wed 20-Mar-13 00:04:49

you cant stay with a man who has broken your rib. you cant bring children up with him.

leave him as soon as you are able

Chubfuddler Tue 19-Mar-13 20:01:56

Just leave. Honestly you just need to get yourself away from this poisonous environment, which incidentally is also harmful to your children. I left my husband a few weeks ago, things were very similar to what you describe. I just couldn't go on.

It hasn't been easy but in all honesty it's been a hell of a lot easier than I expected (touches wood).

You don't need things to be "bad enough" to justify leaving. They are bad enough believe me. The only acceptable level of DV in a marriage is none.

kalidanger Tue 19-Mar-13 20:01:28

Compliant, I mean. Not compliment.

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