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Husband who won't work!(42 Posts)
Hello everyone, this is not a forum I normally end up on but Ive seen some good, honest advice here before and Im hoping for more of the same.
I have been married for 7 years and we have two boys aged 7 and 2. Its fair to say weve had a bumpy time and sometimes Im not sure whether Im coming or going.
Ive supported my husband for the whole of our marriage. In the time weve been together he has never worked and his only form of employment has been things I have arranged on a casual basis for him a day here or there. The discussion has always been on the delaying tactic kind and hes told me hes looking or theres not jobs or basically anything that will get me to change the subject. He swings between proper victim behaviour its not my fault that and complete rage. I suspect somewhere that he might be bipolar as his anger is so quick to flair with me and the children that even our 7 year old asks why Daddy isnt every very happy with other people.
Ive worked full time since we were married and started work again when my oldest was only about 4 months. Ive just changed jobs and have a demanding job that pays okay but still doesnt get us out of the woods each month. For a long time my husband appointed himself as stay at home carer for the boys and Im not denying that this saved us money but as I used to go out the house 12 hours a day 5 days a week I did get upset as I felt I had no balance in my lfie and my children needed me more.
My husband has a wealthy widowed mother and shes very happy to hand him over money (quite large sums) for whatever it is that hes needed to have or wanted. This in the past has included £10k for a flying course, £3000 for a ski race course for 6 weeks (I let him go for 6 weeks as he was desperate to be allowed to do this as this was his whole life that he says I took him away from) and now hes doing a photography course which isnt cheap but MIL has again paid for. He does have a lot of creative talent for this but when I have broached him working part-time and doing his course (really doe-able I think and would so help us) he flies off into a massive blame rage and says that how can I expect him to succeed when I dont support him. Hes such a tricky character and often its never his fault when he hasnt managed to do something. Basically between his Mum and I we fully fund him. The flat we live in is technically his Mums and we dont pay rent so she kind of has a hold over him too and not in a good way. Ive had a 2 really horrible arguments with her over this. Im not into arguguements but they come from a very highly charged background and it was very upsetting. Now my relationship is better but I still feel wary around her. They can be a joint force but often they seem to argue amongst each other badly as well so its highly confusing. They can also be killing each other (or me) one minute and fine the next. Hes never off the phone to her and he wants her to sell some property to he can use this to fund other property purchases and renovations so thats another big sticking point in our relationship. I think he needs to leave her and her money alone and start to stand on his own two feet.
He also flies at the children as well for very minor things so family time is never something we all look forward to.
About 18 months ago I decided enough was enough and told him I wanted to end this. He kept saying he didnt want to and we attended counselling. I dont feel it got to the root problems as and it was more about how to treat each other in a relationship. Without being big headed I do feel I can approach a relationship with a lot of love and compassion but I do feel that I cant keep standing by why he keeps saying hell work and every month we are left struggling. Will his attitude to work ever change or from an outsiders perspective am I just a deluded wife? I want to hope that he will succeed at this but while he has him Mum and Me paying for his life why would he change?
I know it's a zombie, but what on earth is a shadow form?
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So, you have an au pair to do the childcare (should she really be doing it all day anyway?) and this guy gets to swan around on courses and gets very angry if you ask him to get a job.
You have been had big time here, going back to work at 4 months. Honestly, this is terrible and I bet all your friends and family think so too.
The good thing is that once you break free, you won't notice any difference because you work hard, and have an au pair anyway and so your finances (bar rent) will be pretty much the same.
My ex stopped working because of MH issues, but at some point, and as he was getting better, any suggestions of getting back to work were just met with negativity and no action at all. Even suggestions of setting up his own business.
Eventually, it completely felt as lack of want to work, although he claimed he'd rather be at work than at home taking care of DS, who was at school by then.
His efforts were more on how to get benefits and at some point he insisted that we should declare ourselves homeless and get a council home, when I had a good salary, we had savings, and could afford to buy.
Thankfully, my salary meant we didn't struggle financially.
MN has a good term for these men. Cocklodgers.
OP - any news?
I keep thinking about this issue, as i have a friend who is in a similar situation with a dh she married 10 years ago. About 4 years ago, he was made redundant and hasn't worked since - hasn't even looked for a job as he wanted some time off, and since then has been 'thinking about what he'd like to do next'. She owns their house (free and clear), and they are living off her savings.
As her friend, it is very difficult to watch the strain she is under - especially as she insists she is happy in the relationship. In the meantime, she is shopping at charity stores, cutting back/going without, and buying value priced groceries (nothing wrong with any of that, but very different from the life she led previously).
Her friends who have income for essentials (and some extras) receive regular pointed comments about our 'extravagance' and how 'lucky' we are. I think she is deeply unhappy, but doesn't know how to deal with the situation. Any suggestion that her dh should get out and work/earn to ease their predicament is met with 'I couldn't be responsible for forcing him to do anything that would make him miserable. He'd resent me'. Like the OP's dh, he takes courses that, in theory, should help him move in a new professional direction - though neither my friend or her dh know how this will translate practically.
It is almost as if she has been brainwashed. And in the meantime, the strategy seems to be stretching savings until they are old enough to claim her generous pension (which is many years away).
Mine was like this. I kept thinking he was going to "fulfil his potential". In our divorce settlement papers, he claimed I was too mentally ill for him to work - hah! not true, and he did no houswork, mostly played on computer. I had 2 kids, tried my hardest to work, and we lived on capital (a little from his DM but mostly from MY DF) which I eked out frugally as thought he was going to earn eventually.
It's true I was depressed - but he was the main reason. As soon as I filed for divorce (after decades ) my depression lifted. Thanks be to MN and for the Emotional Abuse thread for my awakening and for empowering me to finally take action.
Great news that you have an au pair - that should help to counteract any claims that he's a SAHD. I don't think you're behaving like an indulged princess at all. Good luck!
Good grief! Get rid of him. He's a lazy bastard.
sod BoundlessEnergy, i think BoundlessPatience would be more appropirate!
Please count me in the chuck him out brigade.
I dont think I could even look at him, if I were you.
He is just a big baby.
Good grief. LTB. And I've never said that before.
Thank you ladies for all your honest opinions. Mine has been clouded for so long that i have really believed that I am the one that has needed to try harder. I've not been sure whether to believe that I am behaving like an indulged princess or if I was going a bit mad.
For informations DH isn't stay at home dad - we actually have an au-pair that I have employed so he could 'focus' on his course. I've also been thinking that if I do leave at some point then he's not the main care giver - athought he is defo the one that kicks around the house the most....
Funny enough when I complained about finances the other day he said we maybe needed to move house so it would be cheaper. Strangely the solution didn't come up that he should find a job. That would have been my first plan if the situation was reversed but I think that DH has been bailed out by MIL for a long time and has no incentive. A third child for sure.........
My family and friends are amazing but they have long been too involved so to hear from 29 of you who have all told me the same thing has been a total eye opener but really invaludable.
Thanks ladies for the advice - I totally appreciate your opinions x
Another one saying, get legal advice first, because if he is the SAHD then it might be tricky. However, does he look after the DC, or does he dump them on his mum? It isn't necessarily wrong for a man to be the SAHP rather than taking paid work, but it doesn't sound like your H is doing this if he's fucking off on self-indulgent vanity courses all the time, and if he's nasty and short-tempered with the DC then you undoubtedly won't want to leave them with him.
Well, lots of mothers with two children don't work outside the home. Personally, I would not like your set up but if you are to give him his marching orders I suggest checking out the situation re: childcare / maintenance first. If he is good at being a stay at home parent and you are in agreement with the set up fine. Remember if you go you will have to fund somewhere to live & childcare - not easy.
He's not bipolar
He is simply a nasty twat, who is a terrible role model for your children
I don't blame his mother...I blame him
I feel quite angry for you.
Agree with the others that you need some legal advice. Take some time off work this week if you can and do it, and carry on as normal so he doesn't suspect anything. Do you have family nearby? If so I would confide in them about this and prep them for you and the kids to stay for a while if need be.
He won't change and I think you need rid of this albatross round your neck.
What's his mummy like with your kids?
I wonder if one reason you've stayed with this prick for so long is - to put it crudely - the free rent?
I loathe people with no work ethic, unfortunately I was married to one for a short time, it is most unattractive when the person closest to you does not contribute in any way.
He has no intention of doing an honest days graft and whats more, being out of the job market for so long without actively looking makes him a very unattractive proposition to a potential employer.
Its like having an extra DC, that you can't even pack off to school every day.
OP why are you allowing this to continue?
It sounds to me as if your husband has no 'resilience'. He needs these courses and treats to make him feel better because actually he feels really crap. He knows he should get a job. He is bad tempered because he feels like shit.
Yes to building a fund for yourself. Your husband has all the power at the moment. Don't feel guilty - you are restoring balance.
My brother is like this. Very bright. Thinks the world owes him a good job where he can shine, but actually he hasn't really worked for about 8 years. Wouldn't take on regular childcare or household duties as he saw this as demeaning, and has a go at his wife for not supporting him. By which he means she should help him set up a business at home where he does the clever stuff and she does the boring stuff. He was always the Golden Child, so when things aren't going so well he can't cope. My brother also has a fantastic lifestyle with expensive hobbies - paid for by others, one way or the other.
He's a nightmare. Of course he doesn't want to end it - you're valuable cover for a normal life for him and a cash machine. He prob thinks this is normal. You are starting to realise it isn't.
I don't think he will suddenly start to work. Honestly, these people get a lot worse when they hit 35 and stop being pretty - they can turn nasty. Talk to a lawyer. In the meantime, stop funding him as much as you can - even teeny amounts will help. Build up a running away fund.
How generous is your MIL to the children? Not the one you married, the ones you gave birth to. She might help you.
hmmm, you live rent free...but there are three of you in this relationship - you h MIL..
if you split how will you afford mortgage, rent etc ?
where was ds when he was away for six weeks? nursery?
but "He also flies at the children as well for very minor things so family time is never something we all look forward to. " if you dont enjoy being toether as a family then that would do it for me... how do you want your dc to remember growing up?
Ah yes, my exH was (and is) far too special to do any mundane work either.
In your shoes, I'd take the dcs and leave - you obviously can't stay in MIL's place. But do talk to a solicitor first. As pps said, he could try to keep the dcs residing with him on the basis that he is a SAHD and that is the status quo. Worse-case scenario, you could end up working and paying him maintenance for the dcs. (Not that I think it's automatically wrong for dcs to live with their father while their mother pays maintenance; it just doesn't seem like a just outcome based on these facts). Get good legal advice about what you would need to avoid this outcome. It may be a question of putting your 2-year-old into childcare if he/she is not already there, and being able to prove that you do the majority of the care for the dcs.
Is your dh an only child? If not, what are his siblings like? Do they work? What is their relationship like with their Mum?
Did he work before you were married, and before dc?
What is he qualified to do?
Presumably the 7 year old is in school. When will teh 2 year old go to nursery? Perhaps you could talk to him about readying himself to work when that happens.
My guess is that he doesn't work because he doesn't want to, and thanks to you and his Mum, he doesn't have to. Both of you will see to it that there is a roof over your heads and food on the table.
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