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Am I a bad person? Was it all me? Am I a bad mother?

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trustissues75 · 01/03/2013 14:24

Sorry, this is going to be long. It's my own fault really or engaging but yet again, after 7 years of hell with my Ex, I'm back at square one questioning my perceptions of who I am, what the past was like and whether I'm basically a good person or if there is something seriously wrong with me.

Basically, back in January 2011 my Ex-H left me and son here in the UK at the end o a holiday we had taken to visit my relatives. We were stationed in South Korea at the time. Our marriage had been very rocky for a long time. It's difficult to go into because most of the time I can't pinpoint what was wrong but basically things started to go wrong after I got married to the man...he wouldnt' let me into our finances, had a separate bank account made where he put money in every two weeks as an allowance for me. Shortly after I fell pregnant...I wanted a home birth, especially since we were moving to the States where pregnancy and birth is treated as a disease to be managed. One evening he blew up at me over that, saying I was making a big fuss and hospitals were good enough for everyone else. We moved to the states. The debacle over me trying to get a home birth escslated. He spent the money we had put on one side for a midwife on a car for me and then when I complained he acted like I was being ungrateful; that was the end of the home birth. When I didnt' want to use the hospital his riends wife had used because of what she had told me about the place I remember him punching the driving wheel and asking me what the hell was wrong with me. When I tried to learn to drive he would shout, scream and swear at me until I was so nervous |I would get out of the car and refuse to drive anymore...then he would make out I was making a big fuss and being silly. Anyway, our son was born, he was basically useless at the birth because he'd refused to do any reading "I dont' do books" he'd said...this was the man who when we first met quoted Shakespear to me and then said (now looking back at it rather pompously) "I read, you see."

So, I was in the states, couldnt' drive, new baby, no friends, and DS decides to get horrific reflux with incessant screaming and my body decided that no matter how tired it is I don't need sleep. Depression, exhaustion and short temperdness sets in. Basically, \I turn into a bitch - I do not understand where the man I met went to, I can't sleep, he's often short with me and talking to me like I'm an idiout or and overprotective mother....coupled with other times where he's overly supportive, and adoring, and caring and concerned. Fast forward a few years and many arguments, hours of crying, dragging myself through mis-diagnoses o bi-polar, awful meds etc...By this point my favourite saying is "So long as I keep my mouth shut, everything is fine." No matter what way I try to phrase my requests/concerns, no matter how delicate I am, Im just treated as a complaining witch....and I do morph into one. My requests/concerns over him repeatedly applying for jobs here there and everywhere and keeping us in a near constant state of "we might be moving" and that I ind it extremely unsettling and I just need time to try to settle are ignored...nearly everyitng I say is thrown in my face, or ignored, or eye-rolled at or "Okayed" in a hen-pecked downtrodden poor husband voice. I hate who I have turned into and I hate that the only time he has any respect for me is either in front of others or when I'm going through a "good phase".

Fast forward antoher few years and we''ve moved house several times and now live in \South Korea...against my psychiatrist's recommendations, my pleading and beggin goes ignored..I'm told if I don't let him do this I'm letting my family down and haven't I already done that enough? After all, I'm the one who's ill, I'm the one who can't get a regular sleep pattern, I'm the one who has thrown meds down the sink because of how they made me feel (meds that were given to me as part of a mis-diagnosis) and I'm still living with this man who some how, no matter how hard I try to talk with, always ends up twisitn my words or the situation until I don't know which way is up and |I| end up screaming and shouting and turning into this horrible witch. I start to have huge panic attacks - one lands me in hospital.

August, South Korea - we go out one night, we get drunk. Ex decides to go home, I stay out with friends. One of the single men we are out with buys me a drink. We get talking, we go to another bar. It's South Korea, the bars dont' close and I suddenly realise the time. I need to go, we go to get a cab. He kisses me and I kiss him back. Wrong wrong wrong and I tell him I need to go home. |He gets in the cab with me and somehow we end up outside his hotel. |I freak out tell him I need to go home and to get me a cab now, he tries to kiss me again and to relax. I finally talk him into letting me go after he's taken me up to what I thought was the lobby to call for a cab and turns out to be a hotel hall way and I turn round and get back into the lift. He gets back in with me, but I hit the lobby button and I make it to the lobby, get to a cab and get home. I tell ExH what happened...he's devastated, obviously, and I do what \I can to tell him how sorry I am and that whatever he wants to ask/know I will answer him. He refuses to talk aobut it. I hate myself for the next few months. We got back to the UK for a holiday. A plan is hatched while we are there for me and son to stay behind, he decides we need to settle down and the best way for us to do that is for me to set up my photography business here, get a house sorted out and then wait for him to join us by either getting a 7 year transfer or by quitting his job. He leaves me with £200 and a promise to send my equipment over and to start sending our belongings.

What happens instead is that 6 weeks later he tells me he is going on exercise to the north off South Korea and disappears for a week. He actually bought himself a ticket to Florida, where he is from. A week later he returns and I find out from his sister's facebook page where he's actually been. He tells me the next day that he wants a divorce, he wont' fight for custody even though he feels I am an unstable and unsuitable parent, and all he wants me to do is agree to an internet divorce and to send our son to South Korea for a holiday.

Obviously, alarm bells go of in my head, I say I'll consult a solicitor and he goes ballistic at me.

The next day a woman who I've never seen before appears on his acebook page and over the next few weeks, while I speak to solicitors and lawyers, try to persuade ExH to come over here to at least talk and deal with some truly horrible things from him such as "I should have had you sectioned while I had the chance" and him trying to convince me that I tried to commit suicide and I don't remember it and I'm obviously a danger to our child, she becomes a really regular fface on his facebook page. 4 weeks later, without me knowing, he quits his job and moves back to Florida. I subsequently find out that he has moved in with this woman and that he husband died suddenly and unexpectedly just 16 days previous to my ExH moving in. And thus has followed 2 long years of backwards and forwards blaming and games, ExH lying about me hiding our child from him, accusations of me being an awful parent for not sending our son to live with him in the states because financially I'm having to rely on benefits and a part time job, ExH re-writing history (and I know I haven't imagined the circumstances under which this happened because I have it in facebook converstaions and have actually gone back and re-read things to make sure his re-writing of the truth isn't actually true and I am actually insane), a lot of fear, and lot o anxiety, a lot of trying to find a way to safely allow our son to visit the states with all lawyers and solicitors saying absoloutely not without a court order in place. ExH brings a complaint against me in the US courts but it is, of course, dismissed because America has no jurisdiction and ExH reuses to get involved with the british courts.

SO, yesterday, we had a skirmish via e-mail when he tried to invite this woman to our son's and his soon to be sister's christening. For me that was just a step too far and told him politely that a woman who did what she did, knowlingly having an affair with a man who has a child and that that man has left that child and his mother without a home to live in, without financial support, and without any of their belingings, is not the kind of woman \I want any where near our son nor my daughter.

Here was his reply:



"Let's end this. The marriage is over, finally. While your comments are clever, they abondon the truth; they blatantly overlook the reality that was a miserable life with you. A horrible existence with your daily if not hourly 'woe is me' attitude, your depression, your unwillingness to cope with your illness. You made decisions, choices and remarks that lead to the consequences you subjected XXXX to. I'm not the one, who after having put up with all your untolerable attitude, called to ask for cab fare back from the hotel with another.

As you clearly put it, it was my choice. My choice to end a hopeless eternity straddled by you. No one "took me away" from my son other than you. Don't share your burden, its not welcome anymore. But again, it is your choice for witholding XXXX from coming here. He will grow up, he will know. My answers to him will be for a later time...I'm sure you'll be getting more questions yourself.

Not having spoken with you, by phone, email or otherwise has been a cathartic event that I wish to continue. I'll call XXXX tonight 3:30 my time. Please don't email me again but for to inform me of something pertaining directly towards DS. I'll do the same."

And now I've spent the past 18 hours going over and over the past, looking at how I could have done things differently, wondering if it really is all my fault and I actually do have something really wrong with me. I asked my partner last night if he was happy with me, if I was a good partner and he looked at me as if I had gone completely mad...but I just don't know anymore. If I were my ExH I would say something I I thought I'd done wrong....I'd admit to my faults and have my part in the mess...but he doesn't....so maybe it is me? Maybe I am just this completely unreasonable, manipulative horrible person who has no insight and is selfish and doesn't have her child's' best interests at heart. Maybe I've done it all wrong?

Sorry, that's really long...but after months of soul searching and counselling and getting stronger and not being weighted down by guilt and sleeping again and not relying on antidepressants I'm asking myself what if it's me whos perspective is shot to bits...what if it's me with a personality disorder incapable of empathy and insight?

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Lemonylemon · 01/03/2013 14:36

He has been and continues to gaslight you. I think that that is at the root of your mental distress, to be honest.

Where are you now? (Sorry, but your post was a bit hard to read).

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trustissues75 · 01/03/2013 14:38

I'm in the UK still...settled, son is with me, another (baby girl) on the way...part o me just wishes I could just cut him of and not have him in our lives at all..but that just adds to his argument o what a bitch I am doesn't it?

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trustissues75 · 01/03/2013 14:40

And sorry I it all seems garbled...whenever I go over this I end up in this state of my mind just going round and around and memories lashing into my head and part of me is cringing away and the other part is looking closer....its all very conffusing sometimes and afterwards, after I've re-examined things, very distressing - I can be on edge for days after one o these incidents.

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janx · 01/03/2013 14:52

It was hard to follow your post but I think you are in the best place - here. Who cares if he thinks you're a bitch- you would be better focussing on yourself and your children. Get yourself a good solicitor and think about what you want out of life- sounds like you are trying to make sense put an awful few years

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Lemonylemon · 01/03/2013 14:53

OK, stop going over it in your head and get it down on paper in black and white. You can then start to separate out the issues into separate points which will make things easier for you to think about.

From what you say above, I don't think that you've been insensitive, but woefully lacking in any support from your exH.

There's a raft of places you can to go to for information and support (I've posted olgaga's list on another thread today). You do need outside support to try to help you put things in place. (Ie Women's Aid, etc.)

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FrequentFlyerRandomDent · 01/03/2013 14:58

This sound all very sad. He has treated appallingly. All the shouting, putting down. Ignore him now. You said no so he is trying to hurt you.

I second getting RL help.

Ps: you mentioned DS' name. Will try and report your post to be edited by MNHQ.

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keely79 · 01/03/2013 15:02

From what you have put here, absolutely not. It sounds as though your ExH was at the very least mentally abusive, and those years with him destroyed your self confidence and your self belief to such an extent that he is able to make you question everything you do and have done. I think you should stop worrying about what he thinks and what he says and concentrate on your new partner and your new life. I would avoid completely getting into such discussions with him - keep things at a business-like level to deal with your necessary interactions re. your son but no more. Don't allow him to have any more power over your life - he's done enough.

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bleedingheart · 01/03/2013 15:43

He appears to have been bullying you before you even had your son. He showed no respect for your wishes and bullied you into following his choices.
He is trying to make you doubt yourself and 'sell' himself as a good guy. What kind of man moves in with a widow 16 days after her husbands death? Leaves his family with nothing? Moves country without telling them?
He dumped you in the UK so he could get with the merry widow and wants to rewrite history as the truth makes him sound like a shit dad.
Please try not to give him headspace.
I wouldn't argue about his partners presence at the christening, you have a new partner and you should thank her for taking this scumbag off your hands!

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shadesofwhite · 01/03/2013 16:15

Oh poor you OP, I feel abit disturbed having read your post. Sad Your Ex sounds like a copy of mine and I'm hiding away with my DD, a slight thought of him is enough to wear me down. I'm traumatized. Been crying all day today trying to get legal aid solicitor to stop him. From finding me and suing me for full custody. It difficult, its tough, its nerv wrecking.

All I can tell you is, Legal aid is ending in April(if your struggling financially like I am, its worth trying to get yourself a solicitor before time elapses.) You need legal advice, this man may not be planning to sue you for custody but its worth being prepared. Get a protection order.

You need emotional support. You are depressed and your self esteem is very very very low. See you GP and get some sort of therapy. You need to be stable emotionally to face all these and more importantly for the sake of your DC's.

Get in touch with your local Womens aid.

Ring your local children center be allocated a Health Visitor if your DC is under five.

I'm not so sure if I'm giving you the sort of advice you wanted but this is all I had to do to feel slightly better.

Once again, I am very sorry for what you are going through. I'm undergoing a freedom program and its helping me A LOT.
Your Ex sounds like a Narcist too. So don't expect him to be sypathetic in any way whatsoever.

Please get the help you need. If you want me to post all these links here for you let me know. My heart is broken so I don't think I can type anymore.

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trustissues75 · 01/03/2013 19:37

Frequent - shoot, I missed that one. Thank you for reporting. I'll email them too.

shades - I do need emotional support I think...most of the time I dont' think about it really, but then something like this happens and I end up back at square one for at least a ew days and it affects my day to day life because my head just goes around and around. Women's aid |I'd not thought of before. I begged or counselling through the Dr but the community mental health team just kept on fobbing me off and I gave up after 6 months - their excuse was that I needed on-going counselling and they weren't prepared to give me that. I have some counselling through my college course, but they could only give me 6 sessions. I have a residence order in place - ExH just ignored the proceedings. I have no idea if he's ever going to actually aply for visitation here - after reading a couple of stories I seriously hope he never does because I don't think I'll ever see the end of it - people thing he's so charming and wonderful, even my riends say he had them convinced he was a great guy who was going to be an amazing husband and partner or the rest of our lives. Hah! I'm not depressed though - that lifted a few months after I got over the initial shock as did the persistant and protracted insomnia - now I only get the occasional sleepless night, usually when something like this happens.

I'd love links to help and the freedom programme looks good too.

Lemon - could you point me in the direction of those links you posted? Thank you.

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shadesofwhite · 02/03/2013 14:34

Hi OP, How are you today?

Forget the mental health team, sometimes they aren't very helpful ive been back and forth with them in the past, however in my case i was in denial and i was trying hard to eliminate them from my life Grin

Did you try to get intouch with your local children centers to get a HV?

Go to Improving Access to Psychological Therapies and do a self referral to your local one. They are very effective and very understanding. I had 6months plus of Talking Therapy with them.

Women's Aid Find your local service, ring them up and explain everything in your original post, you will realize that they will possibly do everything for you. They can help you find accommodation if you are destitute, help you to get in touch with legal help regarding contact with your H, they will also help you sign up to a Freedom programme.


You can browse the freedom programme page to get an insight of how benefial it will be to you.

I will be back later to check up on you.

I hope i have helped enough.

Thanks

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shadesofwhite · 02/03/2013 14:36

sorry for the typos ;0

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shadesofwhite · 02/03/2013 14:37

Grin sorry meant to be :) , I better get off the bloody comp.

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trustissues75 · 03/03/2013 17:58

Hi shades

thank you for checking up on me. DS is over 5 so no HV but to be honest I'm very very wary of them anyway..I didn't have the best experience with health proffessionals when DS was younger and I have little trust in any health professional when I'm feeling vulnerable. I went to IAPT and will be speaking to the Dr about them - I really feel it is about time I had some help in dealing with this trauma that just pops up every time I come across a trigger and I'll also be contacting women's aid. I just want to make sense of this and stop the awful cycle that happens whenever he manages to get under my skin (and my mother and other's like her for that matter) Standing up for myself was never my strong point.

Ive found myself feeling exhausted and detatched this past couple of days and having to focus hard on ignoring the flashbacks and on what people are actually saying to me...but this happens every time...

thanks again

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Lemonylemon · 04/03/2013 10:56

Sorry, OP: I've lifted my post from the other thread - here:

I've taken the liberty of lifting a shedload of resources from a post by Olgaga:

Relationship Breakdown and Divorce ? Advice and Links

General

Read everything you can get your hands on. Get familiar with the language of family law and procedure and try to get an understanding of your rights BEFORE you see a solicitor. Get word of mouth recommendations for family lawyers in your area if possible. If you have children at school, ask mums you are friendly with if they know of anyone who can make a recommendation in your area. These days there are few people who don?t know of anyone who has been through a divorce or separation ? there?s a lot of knowledge and support out there!

If there are children involved, their interests will always come first. It is the children?s right to maintain a meaningful relationship with the non-resident parent (NRP) ? not the other way around. Children are not possessions to be ?fairly? divided between separating parents. Parents have no rights, only responsibilities. A divorce will not be granted where children are involved unless there are agreed arrangements for finance, and care of the children (?Statement of Arrangements for Children?). It is obviously quicker and cheaper if this can be agreed but if there is no agreement, the Court will make an Order (?Residence and Contact? regarding children, ?Financial Order? or ?Ancillary Relief? in the case of Finance)

Many family lawyers will offer the first half hour consultation free. Make use of this. Don?t just stick with the first lawyer you find ? shop around and find someone you feel comfortable with. You may be in for a long haul, so it helps if you can find a solicitor you?re happy with.

If you can?t find any local recommendations, always see a solicitor who specialises in Family Law. You can search by area here:

www.resolution.org.uk/

You can also find family law solicitors here:

www.lawsociety.org.uk/areasoflaw/view=areasoflawdetails.law?AREAOFLAW=Family%20law&AREAOFLAWID=36

Check your eligibility for Legal Aid here:

legalaidcalculator.justice.gov.uk/calculators/eligiCalc?execution=e1s1

Some family law solicitors publish online feedback from clients ? Google solicitors to see if any recommendations or feedback exists.

Mediation

You will be encouraged to attend mediation. If there has been violence or emotional abuse, discuss this with your solicitor first. Always get legal advice, or at the very least make sure you are aware of your legal rights, before you begin mediation.

www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/Divorceseparationandrelationshipbreakdown/Endingamarriageorcivilpartnership/Planningadivorce/DG_194401

Married or Living Together?

This is a key question. If you are married, generally speaking you have greater protection when a relationship breaks down.

Legal Issues around marriage/cohabitation and relationship breakdown are explained here:

www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/relationships_e/relationships_living_together_marriage_and_civil_partnership_e/living_together_and_marriage_legal_differences.htm#Ending_a_relationship

static.advicenow.org.uk/files/benefits-and-livingtogether-2010-11-1161.pdf

DirectGov advice on divorce, separation and relationship breakdown:
www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/Divorceseparationandrelationshipbreakdown/index.htm

Legal Rights are further explained here:

www.rightsofwomen.org.uk/legal.php#children_relationship_breakdown

I found these guides from law firms quite informative and easy to read ? there are others of course:

www.family-lawfirm.co.uk/uploaded/documents/Surviving-Family-Conflict-and-Divorce---2nd-edition.pdf

www.terry.co.uk/hindex.html

Finance

Before you see a family law solicitor, get hold of every single piece of financial information you can, and take copies. Wage slips, P60s, tax returns, employment contracts, pensions and other statements ? savings, current account and mortgages, deeds, rental leases, utility bills, council tax bills, credit statements. Are there joint assets such as a home, pensions, savings, shares?

Handy tax credits calculator:

taxcredits.hmrc.gov.uk/Qualify/DIQHousehold.aspx

Handy 5 Minute benefit check, tax and housing benefit calculators:

www.moneysavingexpert.com/family/

Child Maintenance Calculator:

taxcredits.hmrc.gov.uk/Qualify/DIQHousehold.aspx

Further advice and support

www.maypole.org.uk/

www.womensaid.org.uk/

www.gingerbread.org.uk/

Hope this all helps

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 04/03/2013 11:11

Your ex H sounds hard work, bluntly. Had he not appeared to be
a great guy who was going to be an amazing husband and partner for the rest of our lives you'd never have fallen for him.

I am not saying you two together didn't have a chance of happiness but very early on he showed his true colours and when you were far from home with a child together, I suspect your conditioning for want of a better word told you to hang on in there. If you were accustomed to giving in for a quiet life, found it hard to stand up to bullies, he really didn't need to put much effort into your marriage did he. Throw into the mix any additional pressures and medical issues when at your most vulnerable, and no wonder you found your world imploding.

Everyone upthread has given you great advice, I think it takes time to heal and all I can add is good luck and please don't doubt yourself, focus on life now with your DP and DS and new baby.

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trustissues75 · 05/03/2013 07:51

Lemon - thanks so much for that, much appreciated. Donkeys - if only I'd picked up on it all before I| left with him. Looking back there were signs even before I married him but I think a lot of my problem was lack of boundaries - my mother had stamped all over them when I was younger in lots of ways. Funny thing is my mother and my uncle could see right through him but didn't say anything - and funnily enough I think he recognised that because the EX made short shrift of separating me from them as fast as he could by suggesting I didn't need them - wasn't hard for him since the relationships were already obviously rocky.

It's funny how birds of a feather flock together - his lawyer was almost a carbon copy of him - lies to the court, denying having received information and documents, calling me a tawdry woman for having a relationship and getting pregnant before I was divorced (hah, that's rich since it was DH who ran off with the lawyer's female client!) and called baby no. 2 a bastard child - just as intimidating and nasty as my ExH.

I'm feeling a lot better this past couple of days. Dr's tomorrow, phoning women's aid tomorrow afternoon - hopefully they'll be able to get me into some CBT or something.

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LemonDrizzled · 05/03/2013 10:43

Another Lemon here!
Trust you have been in an abusive relationship with a manipulative gaslighter and would benefit from joining us on the EA Support thread

Your anecdote about wanting a home birth and him buying you a car you couldnt drive and expecting gratitude is unmistakable. Read some of the links
on the thread and you will find him there.

The mind boggling inability to think or recall clearly is called Spaghetti Head and what you have posted is horribly familiar to some of us. You are not mad, you have not been abusive, and you will find the less contact you have with him the clearer you mind gets.

Tha fact you have a new DP is great, and hopefully he is helping you recover your confidence. There is a high risk your twat radar is broken though, so watch very carefully for Red Flags with him. Your DM has set you up for trouble!

Come over and talk to us.We know what you are going through!

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trustissues75 · 07/03/2013 18:25

Hi LemonD. Thank you for the invite - and your insight. I have been on over there - I should do it more: I think the reason I havent is that Im still trying to come to terms with how blind I was...and yet at the same time I feel like such a fraud - Im not sure what thats about really.

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LemonDrizzled · 07/03/2013 23:10

Like most of us on the EA thread it is denial and minimising until the penny finally drops.
I still struggle to understand how the eager boy I married could turn into the cold blooded man who forced me to have sex and made me cry for hours. And I am a tough clever strong woman who is a role model in my community! Nobody would believe me if I told them. But being apart from him has given me back my sanity and my happiness.

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