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how would you react?

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liverLadyLass Sat 12-Jan-13 01:58:51

a while ago my DH and I argued over money, and it turned out that I had no final say whatsoever in the money matters as I didn't bring it into the house or deal with it so he would always have the final say over what and were the money goes to. the reason for the argument was that i needed clothes and underwear, was told I would have to wait but in the same breath he then told me he was buying dd who's four a quad and painting it pink for her, which was a nice only thing is because of the winter would not get to use it? he didn't agree and as I said its sitting in the garage and hasn't turned a wheel since he bought it. I felt his prioritys were wrong, he had said in the past about the money he earns is both our money as I stayed home to raise the kids and didn't work , for the first time felt like I was k

BagCat Sun 13-Jan-13 22:20:21

Every penny is a prisoner with this guy and you are a prisoner too because you need his permission to spend money. What a control freak, miserable miser he is. Hope you manage to get some conclusion out of this. You are right, he is wrong.

HappyNewHissy Sun 13-Jan-13 20:53:21

How did you get on LiverLadyLass?

Your H is undermining you as a partner, and as a parent.

This dynamic of teaching your son to play you off against his dad is warped. and sadly all too typical.

You will end up being abused by the pair of them. sad

BTW, this thread has reminded me of the time that I was totally dependent on my now ex. Miles from civilisation, but only 3 floors up and a phonecall from a shop that delivers.

I asked Ex for conditioner. 2 days running. On the third, I ran out. He told me that women in his country didn't use conditioner, so I could too. sad I lost a lot of hair that day, and even more respect for him. I spent yesterday afternoon battling tears at the reminder. My heart bled for you, it really did. FWIW, when others were looking he was positively LAVISH with me sometimes, but it was not for my benefit, it was for his image.

A man who would waste money on a quad bike, but not find a few quid for some knickers etc is a VERY nasty man indeed. How much does he think of you that you can't get some pants FGS?

This 'man' IS teaching your son to side with him is not a parent, he's not a partner, he's an enemy.

I know you are not ready to hear this and still naively think that you have any power to fix this, but his choices are what is driving this situation and he will NEVER give that up.

He's sensed a change in you, that's why the change of heart on the wallet.

Please love, open your eyes? You SHOULD know the family finances, you should have equal say in things to do with your family and he should be backing you up with your DS, not undoing everything you do.

liverLadyLass Sat 12-Jan-13 16:09:30

have that without DH being there over looking things I'm saying,,

I think he knows how badly he behaved,
I came upstairs to him saying he found his wallet, that he remembered were it was and it was all there if I needed it,, (sitting on my bedside table! )
I had explained I didn't need it anymore and carried on with what I was doing,, he keeps trying to talk to me and do little things like cleaning up and stuff,
I'm going to have a hard talk to him tonight once the kids are in bed so there are no disturbances..
thanks for all your advice ill let you guys now how it goes....

liverLadyLass Sat 12-Jan-13 16:03:24

I don't want to leave my DH I want to fix it and make things better for us both,
I spoke to my son whilst DH was out and explained how it makes me feel him treating me differently to his dad, I explained how important our relationship was as son and mother and that I didn't want us to be like that to each other, we hugged and apologised for our behaviour and he's told me he's going to try.
it was nice to b

TisILeclerc Sat 12-Jan-13 13:13:25

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

CogitoErgoSometimes Sat 12-Jan-13 12:26:39

Just trust him? That's as patronising as 'don't worry your little head about it'. hmm Tell him you can only trust him when you're in full possession of the facts and that you demand trust in return.

Also, be very wary of making excuses for bad behaviour. Bad experiences from childhood may colour adult attitudes but they should never excuse poor treatment. He is a grown man & you are a grown woman. He should have the respect and intelligence to treat you as such. Not as a kid that he gives pocket money to and denies access to information..

dequoisagitil Sat 12-Jan-13 12:23:11

He is controlling in a nasty way.

- He's undermining you with the dc, so they ignore you and have no respect for you. Nasty.
- He is revenging himself on you because of his mother. Nasty.
- Denies you access to money as it pleases him. Nasty.
- Gets angry & verbal with you to shut you up. Nasty.
- Passive-aggressive with you. Nasty.

And anyway, he doesn't have the right to control you even if it were in a benign and loving way. You're an adult, the mother of his dc and deserve better.

liverLadyLass Sat 12-Jan-13 12:11:03

he says what ever money we have is ours, that its 50/50, and always has,
he says I should just trust him if he says we don't have it, which I have done,

I don't feel he's controlling in a nasty way, I just think its down to problems that he had with his mum and if anything remotely links to how she was it triggers something in him to react the way he does,

liverLadyLass Sat 12-Jan-13 12:04:33

he's very giving also. it's only every now and then he gets like this, we have everything we need and don't do without, he gives me £300 a week and with that shopping, gas, electric and everyday living comes out of that, and the rest of the bills he pays without me even seeing, not my choice, but I didn't complain either, he took that roll and I took mine,
his argument is that he nows what we have and I don't,,, maybe I should start seeing what we have and deal with every bill?
we have a small business and he puts our bills in with the businesses and they all get done together,

I didn't feel he could be bothered to help me as he didn't want me spending that amount on a person,he sees it as a waste and I can get it cheaper, is he right here?
but in that sense he should of discussed it with me, I feel his decision is final,

but I understand also the kids thing,,
my son stopped listening to me as my DH said I ’went on' and he knew why, like his mum,i went on and he was fair and thats why my son doesnt listen to me, thing was my son didn't even listen to the first line Hence the going on as I was ignored,, I believed I went on, I did but that was why,
it's gotten now that anytime i give my son a row for something my DH will jump in and tell me that's enough, and know my son is telling me I'm not listening to you but his dad, I've asked DH to speak to him over it two days ago but he's still too,
my son was on the plane and asked my dd did she want sweats I asked my son did he ask his dad first as I knew I'd not been asked, he said yes and carried on asking her, I asked him again as I knew he had not, he said I'm not asking you I'm asking my dad, I was fuming,, I told my son for his cheak he wasn't getting the sweats and for lying to me he wasn't getting anymore for the rest of the flight,, I'd asked DH if son asked him and he had no clue what I was meaning,, I. asked my son who I was and he replied, I told him he was correct and what ever I say goes also as well as his dad's, cruel as its not his fault really but I had to make him understand my place as his parent also.

ImperialBlether Sat 12-Jan-13 11:53:35

LeClerc, I am SO glad that man is your ex.

PopMusicShoobyDoobyDoA Sat 12-Jan-13 10:12:58

I watched everything I said too, made sure I was t speaking loudly etc

This is a concern too. Do you walk around on eggshells with just this issue or other things too?

Also, if he won't give you your card just phone up and get a new one with a new password and don't ever give it to him to look after.

CogitoErgoSometimes Sat 12-Jan-13 09:37:31

"he feels because he's the one who works and brings in the money and pays the bills that he has the final say with it... "

'Financial Abusers' always feel like this. Family money is family money and you are joint head of the family. You need to insist on full disclosure of all accounts, passwords and full access to cards. You are not his mother. He is using that as an excuse.

TisILeclerc Sat 12-Jan-13 07:58:48

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Lovingfreedom Sat 12-Jan-13 07:52:28

His mother's spending is an excuse. your husband wants you to know that you are bottom of the pile, that you need his permission to spend any money and that you are much less important than him. you are looking for a reasonable explanation for his behaviour and there isn't one. Sorry but this is clear from your post. is he controlling in other ways too? Withholding and/or demanding sex perhaps....making it difficult for you to see your friends and family....etc.

TisILeclerc Sat 12-Jan-13 07:44:05

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Lovingfreedom Sat 12-Jan-13 07:39:47

Red lights all over this. He buys you DD a quad bike presumably without discussing with you. says you can't afford underwear for yourself. So he is saying that you don't are not worth spending money on even for basics.

he resents spending time helping you help a friend in hospital because he wants to watch a film and accuses you of bullying him. Again you don't matter, your friends and how you care about them is not a priority. calling you a bully is him playing head games.

he is withholding your own credit card and not allowing you access to shared finance. remember, if you were to separate you would be entitled in law to a fair share of all marital assets. it doesn't matter who earns the money, it all belongs jointly to the marriage partnership. he is being unacceptably controlling here.

' forgetting' passwords is dishonest and a petty tactic to keep you in your place by not letting you or making it difficult for you to buy something.

telling you that it is simple and implying that you are stupid for not being able to do it is gaslighting. of course you can't do it without the right password. nobody can. it's another way of putting you down while making himself important and powerful.

I would seriously consider putting together a plan to end this relationship. your DH sounds very controlling, a bully and you will feel so much better if you get away from him.

Good luck. x

liverLadyLass Sat 12-Jan-13 03:26:26

it was a straight forward payment over the Internet with a password protection before the payment goes through, it also stops hackers too,
I wouldn't of seen it but you have given me a thought as to just check it anyway just in case,
I don't think so,
but I do think he does not want me to now the exact money that's there in case I get the urge his mother has constantly,,, thing is I'm always saying how sorry I feel his dad having to work harder to because of her spending!

I've never ever spent money without speaking about it first?
I'm sick of being judged by his mums actions

izzyizin Sat 12-Jan-13 03:08:02

I suspect he didn't give you the correct password because he didn't want you to know how much is in the account in case you ask for something unreasonable, such as clothing/underwear for yourself hmm

He's a tightwad and, if I were you, I'd be looking to see how many other bank/savings accounts he's got up and running.

If he's able to recall the password(s) later today or whenever you are able to gain access to the account, be sure to check withdrawal/transfers to see if any sums have been siphoned off into another account.

FWIW, IMO £27 is not an unreasonable sum to spend on a friend who's had a major op and I'm surprised it doesn't cost considerably more to send a card and flowers.

liverLadyLass Sat 12-Jan-13 03:03:23

I'm a full time mum of an nine and four year old, and I'm at night college studying as I can't fit it in anywhere else during the day, I'm doing this if I'm honest to bring in the same money as him to feel equal, to have as much of a say, but that'll take some three years before I star earning,, I've had such a reality kick up the arse these past few years, no I don't feel an equal and I want to,, just because I don't work doesn't mean I have no say over it? he could of left the quad to a later date and let me get what I needed, but instead didn't and left me feeling selfish,
why shouldn't I spend 27 quid on my friend? ok if we are skint which we are not shouldn't he of said so instead of behaving.the way he did,, I watched everything I said too, made sure I was t speaking loudly etc,,

I feel because his mother is an uncontrollable spender that its in his mind to make sure I don't become the same,,

Damash12 Sat 12-Jan-13 02:56:19

Wow, I can't believe you are asking these questions about yourself? He is totally in the wrong and you are being treated very badly. How I read this it seems he doesn't want you seeing what had gone OUT of the account, what HE has been spending money on and not about what you are wanting to spend on. Marriage = partnership = 50/50 decision making over everything in my eyes and you should be able to have whatever you need. You have bought up the kids, his job is to support and provide for all of you. If this is a joint account, I would ring the bank and get a new card of your own and I'd also be checking what the spending on the account looks like but you may unearth other issues. Seriously, this is wrong and I would not tolerate it. Good luck x

PiccadillyCervix Sat 12-Jan-13 02:48:14

no he hasn't got a point. I'm a sahp, I buy what I want unless its super expensive and then dh and I discuss it. He also discusses major purchases with me. money is totally equal in our house, and we both get equal say

PiccadillyCervix Sat 12-Jan-13 02:44:27

dump him. at the very least get yourself a job and your own money

liverLadyLass Sat 12-Jan-13 02:41:53

does he have a point tho?
he works, paying and dealing with the bills and I take care of the home and kids electric and gas and car.
I am annoyed at his behaviour over it, he could at least give me the two seconds and I'd of been out his hair and he'd of got to watch the movie, but know I think that was just to cover up him not wanting me to buy it.
but doesn't have the balls to tell me the truth,
am I being a bully? he said I'm bulling him into doing it now! ? that if I want something it had to be now? angry

Greensleeves Sat 12-Jan-13 02:34:51

If he can't trust you enough to treat you as an adult and an equal, then I would be ending the marriage tbh

It's not acceptable to treat your spouse in this way. The relationship should be an equal partnership. He's an idiot.

liverLadyLass Sat 12-Jan-13 02:32:13

hi belle,
we do have a joint account but my card is in his wallet as we were away and when I asked him were his wallet was so I could use mine he couldn't remember we're it was either...
and that when I'd said he doesn't trust me with the money or password.. I am so angry with him angry

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