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Why am I still being hurt by these 'friends'?

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perhapsIexpecttoomuch · 15/07/2012 18:48

You know when there is something you really want to say to people in real life but doing so will just cause untold problems so you don't but it just really gets to you and you just need to get it off your chest? That's what this post is.

I have spent 6 years trying to make friends in the place we live. After one hell of a lot of effort, I can now say that I have a circle of 'friends'. By that I mean people I can go out with occasionally or have round for a coffee or call on for the occasional after school pick up and vice versa. One was even what I'd call a really close friend until a recent falling out (that's another story altogether).

In the time I have lived here, I have gone out of my way to open my home to these people. I've held summer parties, Christmas drinks parties, Halloween parties, spontaneous last minute 'just come round for a BBQ' affairs, after school get togethers for their millions of children, dinner parties and countless others.

In all that time, we have been invited to one person's birthday party, one person has had a BBQ and 2 bon fire night parties and one other has had a BBQ once. The rest have never done anything. They've probably invited me to have a cup of coffee at their house less than five times in six years. They always assume that if the kids are going to play together after school, that it will be at our house. They never offer to have us at theres. In fact their children even come up and say: can I come to your house? And the parents never say: don't be rude, you can't invite yourself. They simply stand back and wait for me to invite them. I stopped that about four months ago when I decided I was sick to my back teeth of always being the one to deal with the carnage and mess.

We're now moving - for countless reasons but the complete lack of reciprocation of friendship is part of it. We feel as though we have spent so much time making the effort yet never get anything in return. Despite knowing this and having lived with it for six years, it still hurts like mad.

We held a farewell party because patently know one was going to throw one for us and we felt it would be sad to leave without doing it one last time. They know full well that it is our last week here. Not one of them has asked what we're doing after the kids break up or if we'd like to get together so the kids can have a final play or offer to have us over at there house as ours is going to be full of packing boxes. They don't suggest let's go for a drink together to say goodbye.

I understand that perhaps they've already moved on. Perhaps they feel snubbed that we've moving out of the area. Perhaps they genuinely don't like us. But if they don't, they certainly feel comfortable helping themselves to our hospitality.

I don't know why this is upsetting me - I've known this about them for ages now (hence the move) but now that crunch time has come, it's amazingly hurtful that after all this time of spending time together they quite obviously just don't give a shit. In fact one of them even said the reason they'll miss us is because they won't have access to our garden anymore (they have a garden too).

Anyway, thanks for reading if you have got to the end of this long post. I just needed to say it and to lift the feeling of melancholy that I have Sad

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monkeyspiss · 15/07/2012 18:51

I think you're expecting too much of people who are more acquaintances, than close friends.

And just because you are happy to entertain at home, it doesn't mean everyone else is. I could understand if they were holding events and not inviting you. But they're obviously not doing that.

"We held a farewell party because patently know one was going to throw one for us" leaps out at me from your OP. I cannot imagine being cross that no one has thrown a party in my honour.

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Greatauntirene · 15/07/2012 18:53

Are you in the home counties?

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monkeyspiss · 15/07/2012 18:54

Actually, a final thing, I (personally) stay away from people who do a lot for others with an expectation that it will buy them something - either friendship or return invitations.

That said, I jsut wouldn't take you up on your hospitality in the first place, as I can usually spot when people are trying to control others in this way. So I do agree your friends are cheeky for having taken advantage.

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Nagoo · 15/07/2012 18:55

I think that you imagine that everyone is as social as you want to be, having people round every weekend, parties and dinners and things. Thry aren't. Most people are sat ignoring their dh while they watch volcano live.

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perhapsIexpecttoomuch · 15/07/2012 18:55

The thing is, they do. I know that they have had dinner parties and invited each other and go shopping together. One of them invited another over for lunch. Someone I know she doesn't even particularly like. When she told me about it, she said: well we had to because they invited us to theres. Completely oblivious to the number of times I've invited her to mine.

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perhapsIexpecttoomuch · 15/07/2012 18:58

monkeypiss - why do you assume I'm trying to control people? I was simply being friendly. Nagoo - maybe that is true but they do go out and regularly have other friends etc over as they tell me about it at the school gate.

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MrsHarryPearce · 15/07/2012 19:00

It shouldn't be a tit for tat thing you keep count of. If you want to host a gathering and socialise either with a group or just a few the do but you cannot always except it back. If it happens fine. Also is very expensive to entertain, not everyone can afford it. Maybe some are in awe and are afraid of keeping up.

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monkeyspiss · 15/07/2012 19:00

I think if you do X, with and expectation that, in return, someone else will do Y, then that is quite controlling.

Just my opinion, of course. I can understand that it's impolite that people don't reciprocate, but I cannot understand still offering hospitality for 6 long years and still expecting something back.

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amillionyears · 15/07/2012 19:01

I do think certain people suit certain areas.
Myself and DH for example,do suit the area we live in.
But I'm pretty sure we would not fit in socially to some other areas.
I hope your new area will suit you better.
And like others have said,a great many people are not very sociable.

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MrsHarryPearce · 15/07/2012 19:01

I meant expect it back. Doh

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Peacocklady · 15/07/2012 19:02

That's really sad. Where are you moving to? Does it have better prospects? I'm in an area with people I went to school with so have very long standing friends, so I can't really advise on making new ones. I would say that you can't control what other people do and if you get people round by throwing parties then that's great! Be the hostess with the mostess! Most people are just getting on with their families and long time friends and that is hard to break into I expect.

My dh joined woodcraft folk as a leader with the kids and I went on a camp recently for the weekend with them. I wasn't really looking forward to the drizzle and bunkbeds but we had a fab time, all mucking in together and chatting over wine in the evenings. You could join your local one and meet people that way,

Dont lose heart, most people are just quite busy, good luck!

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perhapsIexpecttoomuch · 15/07/2012 19:05

Greatauntirene - intrigued to know why you asked if I was in the home counties? Is this a common phenomenon in the home counties?

Re it being expensive to entertain - I agree. But I often suggest that if they're coming to mine that everyone brings something as I can't afford to feed that many people all the time. And that's worked fine. But it's still me that has to do the work.

And it's not something I'm trying to keep a tally of and expect tit for tat. But you'd think over time people would think: hang on, it's my turn to host for once (I'm not talking fancy dinner party here, I'm talking having a bunch of mums and kids around for a cup of tea after school).

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Greatauntirene · 15/07/2012 19:12

I moved from rural Scotland - where DCs brought pals in every day after school who were fed along with family and picked up later by their DPs - to home counties where any 'playdate' involved booking the arrangement weeks beforehand and Dcs were picked up before meal time, me left on doorstep whilst DC brought to door by DP and handed over with false smile.

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Angelico · 15/07/2012 19:21

I do sympathise with you OP as I know what it's like to move areas and have to make an effort to meet new friends. The thing is, people really are busy a lot of the time, especially if they have kids and quite often one person does end up doing more of the 'running'. I think they were taking the piss a bit if they keep coming back to yours and never return the invitation - but maybe some of them genuinely don't entertain much. The others may prioritise older friends over you if they are short of time - harsh but their choice.

I hope you meet a really nice bunch of friends when you move :)

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KissMyEmbroideryHoop · 15/07/2012 19:21

You are expecting too much frankly...you're counting EVERY invitation you get...that's just not on!

People don't entertain for various reasons....some are simply not confident enough to host...others worry their homes aren't well decorated....etc etc.

You sound petty with statements like One of them invited another over for lunch. Someone I know she doesn't even particularly like.

I really think you need to think about why you need such a busy social life...if you're not happy to be the main host...then stop asking people for a while.

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KissMyEmbroideryHoop · 15/07/2012 19:23

irene it is hard when that happens.....we moved from Wales where it was as it was for you...kids could just call round as and when....to Cheshire where it's all being driven and dropped off having arranged sometimes 2 weeks in advance.

We've been here for 5 years now and only JUST have met siilar people to us who feel they can drop round unnanounced with or without DC>..we feel VERY relieved to have begun to make friends like this.

it can take a long time to settle.

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iknowwho · 15/07/2012 19:27

What me and my mates say at the end of an evening is ' Where are we next time? and someone will say 'It's my turn'

Or if we haven't got anything planned someone will send a text out to everyone saying' Come on - whose turn is it to have us all' all light hearted but gets everyone doing something.

Maybe try something like that?
(I do realize you are going soon though so it maybe a bit late- worth a try though?)

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perhapsIexpecttoomuch · 15/07/2012 19:32

GreatAuntirene - what you describe is exactly what it's like here. And yes it is home counties. I'm not from here so perhaps that why I don't get it.

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KissMyEmbroideryHoop · 15/07/2012 19:34

I don't think it's a Home Counties phenomenen alone. I think it is a common thing in areas which have had a lot of incomers.

Often areas which are up and coming or which have already "come up". It's a fairly middle class way of going about your business.

The more relaxed way of being is typicaly working class (as am I) And once you have known the warmth of a working class community...with more than one generation of the same families being well established...it is hard to move to somewhere so alien.

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cocolepew · 15/07/2012 19:35

Its a bit extreme to move house! What happens if you move and its the same?

Lower your expectations.

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Greatauntirene · 15/07/2012 19:38

We are now well away from Home counties but thinking back you should just do your own thing. DCs now grown up and have good memories of living there but no wish to live there themselves!

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RandomAdams · 15/07/2012 19:38

Sorry that you had a hard time.

I can relate in part. Something similar happened when I was an expat.

I cannot speak for your friends.

What I found for my part is it that we quickly fall into roles, out of convenience, shyness or practicalities. If you take it upon yourself to be the entertainer/hostess, then people assume you enjoy/want to do this. They also shy away. The more you host, the better you get at it, the less they get to feel comfortable doing it, iykwim.

It is healthy that you have tried to put your won boundaries down four months ago.

Moving may be a good opportunity to reflect what you are happy doing, and resetting your boundaries.

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Greatauntirene · 15/07/2012 19:42

We were all incomers in rural Scotland where everyone could pop in for a coffee whenever but home counties was a bit snooty though some friends (incomers) where v happy there - and are still there.

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KissMyEmbroideryHoop · 15/07/2012 19:47

When did you "income" though AuntIrene? In my experience things were a lot friendlier in the 80s and earlier.

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Greatauntirene · 15/07/2012 19:54

1990 - at the peak of the house price rise.

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