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Any criminologists or Pagans or anyone to analysis this

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seriouschanger Sat 24-Sep-11 09:20:17

Can anyone tell me what this means?

'An it harm none, and do what thou wilt'

Does it mean do not harm anyone...
Does it mean do what you want/need to do
or Do in reaction to...

How far does this go...damaging property/hurting someone/murdering someone?

EdithWeston Sat 24-Sep-11 09:23:23

It means:

"as long as you do not harm others, you can do as you wish"

("an" is an archaic form of "if")

So yes, theft, damage, assault, murder are all ruled out as they all harm other people.

seriouschanger Sat 24-Sep-11 09:29:16

Thankyou EdithWeston for does it mean that damaging 'objects' or 'property' can be done? As not harming the person 'physically'?

Does it mean all do what you want in response to Z's property (not Z physically) etc to protect yourself?

Whippoorwhill Sat 24-Sep-11 09:29:37

Exactly as Edith says. In fact if you take it to it's full conclusion then 'harm none' can be extrapolated to include yourself and the whole of the world so damage/destruction of property is out, as is environmental damage and any kind of self harm.

Why do you ask?

Whippoorwhill Sat 24-Sep-11 09:31:48

Sorry, cross posted. I'd say damage to someone's property would count both for the damage itself and the effect that damage would have on the owner of the property.

EdithWeston Sat 24-Sep-11 09:34:44

Yes, it encompasses property (for you cause a person harm by depriving them of their property).

It's also a statement which limits the right of the authorities to interfere with the private life of the community. In UK, there is a general acceptance that if it's not explicitly illegal or governed by regulation, then you can go ahead and do it. (The opposite of an assumption that if it's not explicitly permitted, then you mustn't).

seriouschanger Sat 24-Sep-11 09:36:46

Lastest title for one of ex's masterpieces....when 2 yrs spent damaging my property/life threatening symbols/trying to break in at night to do ???? Only stopped when I put up CCTV

Being a Pagan Leader also throughout this time....just need to know as my 'gut' feeling isn't very happy tbh

seriouschanger Sat 24-Sep-11 09:42:44

So is this a Pagan rule ex has only just discovered then!?

Whippoorwhill Sat 24-Sep-11 09:44:33

Ah yes, I remember your ex. He's bonkers and dangerous and like many bonkers, dangerous people is using his spin on religion to justify his actions.

LittleWhiteWolf Sat 24-Sep-11 09:46:12

Hmm, he's not being a very good Pagan then is he? It basically boils down to "don't harm anyone (in any way, so including property) live life as you please". He's doing as he wishes, but specifically trying to harm you (whether it be emotionally/psychologically rather than physically).

What a prick.

solidgoldbrass Sat 24-Sep-11 09:47:55

This has always been a statement supporting people's freedom to do what they want but recognising that freedom has limits ie not interfering with other people's freedom to do what they want (ie live without being harmed).

ANother one which sometimes gets misquoted/misunderstood is Crowley's 'Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law' - people miss out the second line which is 'Love is the law, love under will' so the whole thing means pretty much the same as the OP's quote.

seriouschanger Sat 24-Sep-11 09:52:31

So he is a 'religious maniac' too....great!

So he will use Pagan (good nurturing religion) and twist it... can he be excommunicated?

Has ex named this at this time as he knows the 'authorities' are chasing him? To protect him?

seriouschanger Sat 24-Sep-11 09:59:02

Oh ex isnt in UK either so does this authority thing count in another country in Europe?

SGB it seems a bit of a joke(not) ex would then do total opposite?

Why has ex done this now?
Is it a warning of something to come?

I don't know anything about this? Am I being paranoid to have these gut feelings? I am worried.

seriouschanger Sat 24-Sep-11 10:02:08

Does it also mean because he sees it as him being 'harmed' as authorities chasing him ...he will do want he wishes to stop it including threats/damage/emotional/stalking to cause enough fear to make me disappear?

GossipWitch Sat 24-Sep-11 10:06:20

Sounds to me like this ex of yours is just using this part of the wiccan read to try and frighten you, he is being a prick and is no pagan !!!

Cheaptrick Sat 24-Sep-11 10:11:32

I think forget the pagan part and fouce on the fact he is a nut and you need to protect yourself from him.

Report any contact or threat to the police and do not trust him at all.

He may have MH problems or be deluded so trying to analys what is going on in his head will not work and just drive you crazy.

The phase means "Do not upset anyone or cause harm in any way". I think most pagan's are vegan or veggy's as all live is sacrate.

Do not tar one group of people by one persons actions.

seriouschanger Sat 24-Sep-11 10:12:11

the other masterpiece released at same time was an old one redone which ex talks about it being created at a time when ex finished a relationship and the dark places it took him (ex never finished the other relationships from then on..they left him so makes me think he was talking about ours).

Can I put something around my like garlic for vampires etc to warn ex away or stop if ex doing a Pagans do spells? As ex calls himself a male version of a witch..begins with m?

EdithWeston Sat 24-Sep-11 10:12:30

I do not think it's an explicit part of the law anywhere - it's more to do with the cultural expectations of the role of the state. And probably rather a red herring on this thread (I posted about it before more of your individual circumstances came out).

All across Europe there are laws against injury, damage etc

seriouschanger Sat 24-Sep-11 10:12:36

Sorry not m...High Priest I think?

seriouschanger Sat 24-Sep-11 10:19:18

EW thanks for clearing that up about authorites

Cheapstick I am not trying to rubbish your religion sorry if you think I am...I am worried and needed some I do not understand what it means. Worried their was some double sword meaning iygwim. Which appears to be the case if ex is only using the latter part?

It is one of the oldest religions honestly I do respect it.

HereIGo Sat 24-Sep-11 10:19:20

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Cheaptrick Sat 24-Sep-11 10:25:13

I have pm'ed you - hope its ok blush

seriouschanger Sat 24-Sep-11 10:25:31

Are you taking the Micheal about the garlic HIG? I only said garlic as it is the only one I know...oh yes besides Holy Water. But this does not stop people whatever I guess you are kidding, I'm being to literal (as a bit scared) in a field I know zero about.
I thought maybe a talisman etc may protect us any bad spells/thoughts on ex's part...

I can't go to the police they will laugh at me.

Cheaptrick Sat 24-Sep-11 10:28:59

Its ok i totally understand but i think you need to deal with this two fold protect yourself and tell the police, friend and family about your ex.

Follow all the steps you would if he was a stalker or harrasing you. There is a guild on here that helps you deal with stakers it might be worth a read just in case.

Cheaptrick Sat 24-Sep-11 10:32:00

NO the police will not laugh at you. Your ex has threaten you and that is agenst the law. Your ex has made you scared and made you worried for your safety that is agenst the law. There is a possability that he may stake you or physically harm you - the police will take you very seriously.

If you go to them they will have a word with him and get him to back off from you hopefully.

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