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Domestic Violence - services for women and men(64 Posts)
I know there is an argument that men are big enough and ugly enough to remove themselves from such a situation (and I sort of sympathise with that thinking)
Thanks for that. I am obviously also stupid as well.
My DH was the victim of DV in his previous relationship. It was a long relationship too. he didn't leave for all the same reasons women don't leave violent men. He loved his ex, she systematically ground him down until he thought he was useless and stupid and no one else could possibly love him. Every time she hit him it was because he 'provoked' her into doing it. She continued to have an emotional and psychological hold over him even after he left. If you saw my husband in his professional capacity you would not believe that he's the sort of man to tolerate that kind of treatment. She beat him and he took it. The last time (the last straw) he cowered on the stairs as she hit him. No matter how bad it was he took it and would never, ever fight back because 'you don't ever hit a woman'......
Why didn't he seek help? because he was 'big enough and ugly enough to remove himself from such a situation'?
You've probably followed threads on here and seen how hard it is for a woman to mentally, emotionally and physically prepare themselves to leave a DV situation. Well it's no different for a man. In fact i'd say it's harder, because there is massive stigma attached to being a man who is being beaten by his wife, and there is far less support in place to help them.
I have spent two years of our 4 year relationship undoing the damage that bitch did to him. I had to rebuild him bit by bit. He's only just now stopped apologising for any tiny mistake he makes (or even thinks he's made) because that's how he came to behave with her.
Sorry if i'm ranting but DV against men is still a massive taboo.....I get very cross when people fail to understand how a man could put up with it.
OP - I think your first post was naive in your generalising about men being big and strong enough.
Not all men all or strong, and also there is so many more complexities regarding DV rather than just the size of the victim or abuser.
Also, not all DV is physical violence. What about financial abuse, emotional abuse, mental abuse etc? At the end of the day, men and women are both human beings and we are quite similar.
I work for a well-known DV organisation and I find your OP to be naive and lacking information. Maybe you could have a look online for more info to build your knowledge, if you're interested.
FWIW, I think your local area making those services known the general public is a fab thing.
I don't think Poncey was pontificating her own opinions about "big strong men", I think she was merely recounting society's view as a whole
and she is right
there is still a stigma about DV against men
there is still a stigma about DV against women
they are both problems
Poncey, thank you your clarifications. I did misinterpret your OP and I wish to apologise for that. And yes I think you (and AF and the other posters) are right in that anything that helps removes the stigma about DV for everyone is a good thing generally.
Services for men vary a lot around the country (my LA offers pretty much nothing), as I'm sure they also do for women. I have, however, noticed significant improvements elsewhere even in the last twelve months. My own injuries are only hidden by normal clothing. I would truly hate for anyone to go through what I have.
And maybe I need a new nickname. I thought mine kind of gave my gender away, but perhaps not!
Thank you . MN has helped me a lot.
And I never assumed you were!
in fact people who perpetrate violence against other people are a problem
although I am massively vocal about DV against women, I do acknowledge men can suffer from it too
Your timing seems a bit off this evening ...
Nevertheless the fact remains that 95% of DA cases are where men are the perpetrators and the 100+ plus murders each year of DA victims are women... never heard of the statistic for men murdered by women involving DA?
In my area there are some good resources but they are very overstretched and you have to really go looking for them.... although the medical professionals seem to have a good awareness of what's on offer.
The national DV helpline is a good signposting service, when you can get through.
although I am massively vocal about DV against women
But assuming you are a woman (it is impossible to infer from your nickname, but having seen your posts I think I have worked it out ) this is perfectly understandable.
I'm not not in a position to do so right now (either emotionally or practically), but have discussed with the support worker I do see every few weeks or so the possibility of setting up a local support group for men if one still doesn't exist by then. She has told me that if she is still in her post she will help me do this. Yes, I have a bit of a problem with the way a public body (my LA) is using public money but if people like me don't get off our backsides little will change.
Poncey, for what my opinion is worth I don't think you're a git .
Oberon, and I would be the first to wish you well in such an endeavour if you felt able to do it
Thank you AF. I'm determined to make something positive come out of this.
"never heard of the statistic for men murdered by women involving DA?"
I looked it up a while back - I think it was two to three men a month being killed due to domestic violence.
What's sad is that when male-on-female domestic abuse is discussed, the issues of emotional abuse etc are recognised as just as important and potentially just as damaging as physical violence. Yet when female-on-male domestic abuse is mentioned, it generally only focusses on physical violence, with many provisos of how it's not so serious as a big tough man can't really be hurt by a woman, and usually ignores other types of abuse (although I note TryLikingClarity's recognition of these factors).
For what it's worth, I absolutely recognise that violence in a relationship is much more likely to come from a man than a woman. And that's downright horrific. I also believe that emotional abusers come from both sexes pretty much equally.
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