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21 k for a new garden??

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UptheAnty Fri 12-Aug-16 10:22:46

I didn't know where to put this here or gardening...?

Just got a quote for a new garden.. And I'm not sure if I'm just out of touch with what's normal.
I've been abroad for some time.

The quote includes, paving, pergola, new shed and raised planters. It also has a new path, bin store and some fancy Venetian fencing.
It's a new build relatively small but not tiny garden. We already have lots of established plants so none needed.

Is this outrageous? Please can you tell me what you paid or even better if you're a landscaper.

I'm in the south east.

All advice gratefully accepted blush

hangingoutthewashing Fri 12-Aug-16 11:11:56

I would get in a number of quotes then at least you have a better idea , it sounds quite a lot to me

LadyMonicaBaddingham Fri 12-Aug-16 11:13:03

Are you just paying for the items, or for design, installation and labour as well?

UptheAnty Fri 12-Aug-16 12:08:08

Thanks for the replies.

It's for design installation and Labour.
I've had a few people round but never got as far as a quote as they seem to just disappear confused

This firm is reputable, professional and very skilled. He came up with lots of great ideas and seemed really knowledgable. My deposit would kick in the designer and I would be provided with 3D images of their proposal.
The quote also includes Astro turf.

He got me really excited and I knew it would be expensive but is it overpriced expensive or a fair price for what I'd be getting???

LuckySantangelo1 Fri 12-Aug-16 12:10:18

How big is your garden?

UptheAnty Fri 12-Aug-16 12:16:45

Crickey confusedblush
He will construct two new paths and two seperate patio areas
I'm off to find my tape...

BengalCatMum Fri 12-Aug-16 12:19:20

Landscaping is expensive if done properly; but depending on the size 20k could be cheap or expensive.

It is a size and quality too; ie. lovely fencing often costs at least 10x the price of bog standard.

If it is a reputable design firm then they would do a design and then send to tender with multiple build firms. You would get at least 3 tenders returned (quotes for work); and the Quantity Surveyor which works with the design firm would analyse each for their quality/ cost ratios and suggest the best option to you.

If it is all inclusive then I assume it is a 'design and build' firm; where you cannot use your designer and then receive different quotes. If so the contract will be 'Design and Build', and its your decision whether to use the firms services in its entirety or not at all.

Happy Gardening flowers Super excited for you grin
But NEVER get astroturf, pretty please.

UptheAnty Fri 12-Aug-16 12:21:29

Garden 30ft very approximately...

BengalCatMum Fri 12-Aug-16 12:22:30

Yes and I am trained in Landscape and work in field as designer

UptheAnty Fri 12-Aug-16 12:22:39

Why no AstroTurf? It has been quoted as 4K shock
Mind blown

UptheAnty Fri 12-Aug-16 12:23:10

It is design & build

BengalCatMum Fri 12-Aug-16 12:23:49

30ft long by ?
or 30 sq ft

because thats massive difference haha

almostthirty Fri 12-Aug-16 12:27:13

Good astro turf is very expensive. I looked at cheap naff stuff and that was £30 per square meter.

BengalCatMum Fri 12-Aug-16 12:27:58

Just because Astroturf is a bit of a gardening sin grin

UptheAnty Fri 12-Aug-16 12:35:30

Bengal where r u ?
Can you not just pop round and sort me out???

The garden narrows at its widest it's approx 18 ft

There will be a path from the gate to a 5x8 luxury decking then a path to the bottom of the garden where there will be a patio & pergola.
Up the side will be made shed flat and a shed installed
The other side will be wooden planters and Scottish stone with a stepping path to the front door and a new path at the front.
They are proposing Woodburn set footpath-
Indian sandstone circle and slat fencing(8ft).

BengalCatMum Fri 12-Aug-16 13:00:30

Ooo work from MN haha, is that even allowed? grin
I work all over UK but have two private projects currently so try not to over egg the number to keep the focus. Next space in the waiting list is Jan 2017 if you really want but it does sound like you have your ducks in a row and know what you want - which is really the hard part.

It does sound a bit expensive (for UK) but not overly so (for South). And you definitely get what you pay for in landscape, both in quality of design, materials, build, and in resolving in issues which may pop up now or in future.

I assume you haven't had a list called Bill of Quantities yet (as thats part of design work) but it should outline all the costs of labour and costs of specific quantities of each individual part of work, and give you an idea of whats costing what and why.

Have you asked firm for examples of completed work and if it is possible to speak or visit any previous clients? I would also ask about what the procedure is if their are problems with the work during or after?

For this amount you really want the whole package and all the i's dotted and t's crossed. And if they do offer the full package, including 1 year snagging period (after work finished) then I would say it doesn't sound bad price at all for the south.

siameseturkey Fri 12-Aug-16 13:01:26

Sounds about what I'd expect really...see my post from yesterday 'Garden revamp but worried about neighbours' which really I should have called '25K for a garden?!'

I think when you get a garden designer you have to remember their fees, if they supervise the building work etc then you're also paying them as well as the labourers. And like BengalCatMum says, if you go for more high end things it will add up.

We're in London (which must make it more pricey) and we've had a quote of £10k to do a basic revamp with no real discussion about how we use or could improve the garden...just a bit of decking, new fencing, lawn, new path and garden lighting. But we also had another quote for same sort of thing at £20K!

If you go for a garden designer you'll be paying top price for their expertise, ideas, plans etc. But you may get a nicer, more considered garden that really works for you.

BengalCatMum Fri 12-Aug-16 13:02:09

I am intrigued though to the Woodburn set footpath

Is that Woburn Sett?

Like.... this

MrsCharlesBrandon Fri 12-Aug-16 13:10:23

To give some perspective, last year we paid 6.5k for an L shaped patio, raised decking and planters, and drainage in our 7 x 10m garden. We live in the midlands. For the size of your garden and what you want i'd expect to pay around 15k here. Is there a lot of land clearing to be done, and could you save money by designing it yourself?

UptheAnty Fri 12-Aug-16 13:13:31

Spell check - it is Woburn Bengal.

Your advice is invaluable- many thanksflowers

I'm going to have a look at your thread Siamese.

The gardener has shown me lots of examples of past work and offered to put me in touch with past clients.
Great information on a snagging time - I'll look into that.

But 21k shock

Just wow.

Mrsladybirdface Fri 12-Aug-16 13:14:31

Well weve had a large patio, decking walkway and railway sleeper retaining wall going round the walk way for 7k...I designed it...as in I had a plan and drew a sketch! A well known, round these parts, gardener. Was a lot of difficult out for that price...didn't include returning. Garden is about 40 foot by 30 foot

UptheAnty Fri 12-Aug-16 13:15:45

Thanks Mrs it's great to have a comparison

Mrsladybirdface Fri 12-Aug-16 13:19:15

Difficult = digging
Returning = returfing

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Fri 12-Aug-16 13:22:56

Sounds about right to me as we paid 10k for a huge patio 8 years ago and £900 for a fence 10 years ago.

As with most of these things it's usually labour you pay for.

Sheds can be a fortune so if you're having that and a pergola it starts to mount up.

Have you a got a quote from a handy man type person too rather than a gardening company?

Don't forget a lot of that will be VAT as well.

It adds up!

BengalCatMum Fri 12-Aug-16 13:30:04

Yes it would be a shock if you weren't expecting gardens to be so expensive.
The south is way more expensive than mid and north too sad

Sounds like a great plan though; and you really wont regret doing something to improve the garden.

I like to think of my garden as not an extension of my home (like a new room); but an extension of my menagerie (like all my plants are also pets) hahah! Clearly crackers grin

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