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Help please with permitted development question

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Whoopydoo Sun 22-Nov-15 19:37:51

I live in a Victorian mid terrace house. My neighbour has applied for single storey permitted development return infill. This is intrusive as it will cut out most of our light. From the lounge view we will not be able to see all of the bottom of our garden and also from lounge will not be able to see any skyline. Will they be able to do this. Thanks in advance.

longingforfun Sun 22-Nov-15 19:42:49

If my experience is anything to go by, yes they will.

VodkaValiumLattePlease Sun 22-Nov-15 19:46:07

I think permitted development only takes in consideration of how big and high it will be in line with PD rules not the effect it'll have on neighbours properties. Ring your local planning department for clarification though!

Whoopydoo Sun 22-Nov-15 19:55:00

Thanks longingforfun. Have you had something similar happen? It does seem unreasonable that we can't see daylight. We would be considerate and if this goes ahead we would have do the same, so I assume this would St a precedent It is very upsetting to have this intrusive extension.

Whoopydoo Sun 22-Nov-15 20:05:51

Vodkavalliumlatteplease. That is shocking. So assume I will have to do the same. I will def check with planning. Thanks. This is very worrying.

namechangedtoday15 Sun 22-Nov-15 22:05:05

Not sure I understand. How would you not see daylight?

MonsterDeCookie Sun 22-Nov-15 22:07:55

Are you in a conservation area? If so, you may have a chance at blocking it.

DoFliesHaveKnees Sun 22-Nov-15 22:10:42

I think they will get the go-ahead as there is no legal right to daylight or something bizarre like that!

Whoopydoo Sun 22-Nov-15 22:16:17

Namechangedtoday15. Thanks this is due to the fact that where the houses rear wall finishes the gardens are at an angle. hmm

Whoopydoo Sun 22-Nov-15 22:18:12

Monsterdecookie sadly am not in a conservation area but worth checking.

Whoopydoo Sun 22-Nov-15 22:23:21

Doflieshaveknees. Yes worryingly that seems to be the case. However am now thinking that it really can't be right to block a total view that someone has. If that was the case these extensions would be popping up everywhere. I am trying to think positively !! hmm

lalalonglegs Sun 22-Nov-15 22:33:34

There is a right to natural light but it is very specialist, there is no right to a view. Have you spoken to your neighbours about your concerns? It could be they haven't realised the impact their extension will have.

Whoopydoo Sun 22-Nov-15 23:18:01

Thanks lalalonglegs. Previous experience We are pretty sure they want what they want at any cost. will finish fact finding and speak with them. Personally if we were doing the same would have approached them before submitting plans. I am sensitive that if we did this it would enclose them in a tunnel and be overbearing for them. smile. I cannot find anything similar done elsewhere.

Marmitelover55 Mon 23-Nov-15 10:48:40

I'm finding it hard to visualise - please could you put a rough sketch on here? Thanks.

Whoopydoo Mon 23-Nov-15 23:31:58

Hi Marmite. Sorry not sure how to do that. Front door direct into lounge. Window to garden opp front rear Step down into kitchen door at end. 2 windows to right in kitchen overlooking return and neighbours fence. They wish to fill in their return to fence. So that would be 4.9 m long. Brickwork will start at 2.4 m So 30" above kit window fence rising to 3.2 m. At the end of the fence the garden turns to the right maybe 20 degrees. They want 4 roof windows. And the whole back do the house folding doors. Upstairs they want a large window overlooking my return close do our bedroom. Does that help.

MaryPoppinsPenguins Mon 23-Nov-15 23:43:17

Can you roughly draw it on a piece of paper, take a picture of it with your phone and upload it? It's really hard to visualise...

Whoopydoo Tue 24-Nov-15 00:21:12

Hi marypoppins penguins I hope this helps. Drawing not my greatest skill. Thank you.

Whoopydoo Tue 24-Nov-15 00:28:48

This is the kitchen and garden end photo of drawing cut this off

McBaby Tue 24-Nov-15 07:52:18

If it meets permitted development guidelines there really is nothing you can do. But there are height and length restrictions if they want to go to more than 3 metres in length then they have to write to the neighbours for any objections. If it I over 1 story which is what you seemed to suggest by a window overlooking your side return then they would need planning permission and again the council will write to you.

But as others have mentioned there is no right to a view or to light as you will still get light in so if you plan on objecting then have a look at the grounds you can object in. But as doing a side return extension is very common at the moment it may be difficult to find an objection the council will find valid.

Whoopydoo Tue 24-Nov-15 08:00:51

Thanks Mcbaby. Will investigate.

Marmitelover55 Tue 24-Nov-15 08:07:37

I think there are also rules in waves height and how close the foundations will be to your property (although this maybe party wall act instead). It might be worth you speaking to a party wall surveyor. If you are in a position to do a similar infill extension, then this might be the time to do it.

Marmitelover55 Tue 24-Nov-15 08:07:39

Waves - eaves!

MonsterDeCookie Tue 24-Nov-15 08:22:50

I think that's going to be a tough one to fight. As it is aren't you both staring straight into one another's lounges? If you think you might someday want to do the same then I'd be careful about how hard you push back about the height and exact proportions.

Whoopydoo Tue 24-Nov-15 08:26:45

Thanks marmite. Think you are right party wall act. Not good for us to do presently. Plans do not show guttering they would overhang our side.

LaurieFairyCake Tue 24-Nov-15 08:39:16

If they have a glass roof it won't cut out any light, even a solid roof won't cut too much.

I've lived in at least 3 houses adjacent to people who had done this and it was totally fine - the building work was very noisy and disruptive though as they needed to take the fence out to build and they made a right mess.

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