Different learning for those in school

[Todayisanewday75]

In the first lockdown the school essentially provided childcare, staff in on a rota and children in school were just given the same learning posted online for the rest of us. This time we’re still getting the same rubbish online work but all teachers are in school teaching their reduced size classes. How is it fair that the kids at home are getting less education when the ones in school have a full timetable?

[formerbabe]

That's outrageous

[Todayisanewday75]

That’s what I think. A third of pupils get a teacher full time and ones like my DD just get a few short videos a day and maths I completely misunderstand

[hels71]

We have to do the same learning in school as has been set for those at home.

[starpatch]

Mine is at school and they are just watching videos all day at school. But I agree that is not fair if that is the case for your school.

[TwoCupsOfLemonTea]

Are you sure this is happening? It goes against DfE guidelines

[Yellowmellow2]

That doesn’t sound right? In our school the kids are just engaging in the remote learning set by the teacher, whilst being supervised. Teachers haven’t got time to teach a class and do all the remote learning.

[BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz]

Are you sure?

Our school delivered homeworking packs to all at home kids which cover tje next two weeks. The kids in school have the same pack.

The teacher has prerecorded the sessions to post online then delivers or plays the recorded videos in class.

Each in school child has a reading book/times tables etc on their desk they pick up during the gaps.

Teacher goes online to the whole class a couple of times a day live, and reads a story etc.

[Wowcherarestalkingme]

Our teachers are at home providing the home learning. TAs are delivering the home learning on school to key worker children. Neither situation is perfect but it is at least learning.

[NoSquirrels]

Are you sure? Has the school told you this is what’s happening?

[lavenderlou]

We have to do the same learning in school as has been set for those at home.

This. I'm delivering the home learning in school to 15 children made up from two different year groups, so it isn't like teaching them as normal.

[2020out]

You don't seem to be objecting to the learning your child is getting, just the unfairness. How is your child doing with the learning provided?

If you have a complaint, complain about your child's learning, rather than asking for other children's provision to be reduced, which is very much the tone of your Op.

[EagleFlight]

It’s certainly not nationwide. Whether at home or in school, the teachers at DC’s school are doing zoom classes and it’s either one TA to everyone in the school bubble or one on one parent at home. Those at home with that one on one will be learning and benefitting a lot more.

[NoSquirrels]

Most children at home are not one-on-one with a parent. Alas.

[ItsIgginningtolookalotlikeXmas]

Why is the online work rubbish?
You might as well say why is it fair that the parents of those children are risking their health working as key workers, while others work safely from home?

[EagleFlight]

@NoSquirrels

Most children at home are not one-on-one with a parent. Alas.

Tens mins one on one after the Zoom class explaining is more than many will have with a TA in the whole hour set aside for the task.

[reefedsail]

TBH I think a fair number of schools have got their teachers in the building.

The content of the learning should be the same in school and at home, but it's a bit inevitable that the children in school will be getting 'more'. They have social contact, will be doing PE and having playtime and will have adults that are not their parents to keep them focused. They also don't have the lure of screens and their toys to distract them from the work.

The flip side is that they have more contacts with other children, many of whom will have parents in public facing roles, so they are not as safe and are more likely to pass covid to their families.

[Alfaix]

At ours the children in school do the exact same learning as those at home, supervised by support staff. Teachers are at home in the main, with a few in school.
The online provision last time was excellent though.

[NoSquirrels]

Perhaps Eagle. But also perhaps not - perhaps they’ve literally only got time to log them on and then get back to the day job. Or are sat with the younger kids. Or your kid doesn’t respond to parent as teacher explaining at all, so actually the TA might have been better for 2 mins than 20 minutes of Mum (may be projecting here!).

It’s shit whichever situation you’re in. We’re all assuming the other set has it better. I don’t really think anyone does. Kids in school get the social aspect, but are at more risk/more rules etc. No ones got it easy or best.

[Icanseegreenshoots]

I thought it was absolutely disgusting last time that the children of exhausted nurses and doctors were drawing all day, and then sent home to do hours and hours of school work with parents that had just finished 12 hour covid shifts. I had many a friend that nearly snapped in the spring from the stress, and felt she was letting her children down badly.

So although I don't think it is especially fair that the education provision is better inside schools than outside, I do think for the majority of keyworkers given they are already struggling with so many patients to care for - this is the very least we can do for them and for their children.
I can't begrudge vulnerable children some extra help either if I am honest. You have a point op, but I think there are bigger things to worry about.

[flourandeggs]

Our primary school just sent an email changing key worker places for just this reason. Now either 2 key workers or 1 keyworker who is NHS, social care or teacher. People gamed the system (I get the reason why, the provision was woeful last time at this particular school and parents couldn’t work on top of teaching) and it took 3 days and they have had to change it. Suspect plenty of other schools about to change their provision too.

[Changalang]

I've been working in school this week. The children each have a computer and are doing the same set work as all the children who are at home. Other than that it's just art & crafts, games, and outdoor play (weather permitting).

If anything it's actually the children at home who are getting more of their teacher's time. The teacher is spending a large chunk of the day phoning the at-home children to make sure that they're okay. She's also interacting with them online to make sure that they've understood the work and to be available to chat to them about any concerns.

The children in school are generally just getting on with their work and have a TA who walks round to see if anyone needs any help.

[SallyTimms]

At out school there are 4 online lessons a day. Pupils at home are obliged to attend. Pupils in class watch them from an interactive board.

No other teaching takes pnace, it is ensured all children receive the same teaching.

[thewinkingprawn]

At the beginning of the week I was with you - it seemed that the kids in (and there are heaps in our school) were getting proper lessons whilst ours were being chucked worksheets. I would have no problem with this if the kids in were all in genuine need but a good number have one key worker parent whilst the other is a SAHP. I have no problem with the children of NHS staff being taught properly. I do have a problem with Bob who is a teacher and sue who is a SAHP sending their child in. I understand that the schools have been stuck with the ridiculous government rules around who constitutes a key worker though and that parents are taking advantage. It’s come back to bite our school steady though - y5/6 bubble just burst so now all at home even those who genuinely need a place. What are those NHS staff supposed to do now? I suspect schools will
Be cracking down very shortly on the taking the piss and all will be taught equally with fewer KE kids in.

[thewinkingprawn]

Sorry - pressed go too soon! As of today we have had much better online support and the kids in seem to be doing the same thing. I think the first few days were just emergency work for the kids whilst the schools sorted themselves out!!

[Avidreader12]

Mine was in as a key worker yesterday ks2 he had exactly same work as that online he was sat all day on a laptop in school hall with lunch break outside the kids were kept apart could ask for help with the laptop (how to use etc) but no teaching help with the work.