phonemes - I just don't get it!

[toffeenose]

DS is at a dyslexia specialist school and they have to do phonemes every night. I just can't seem to get it despite using an internet list of phonemes. Can anyone help?
For example tonight we have Pocket, Racket, Puppet, Socket and Trumpet.
Is PO a phoneme? It's not on my list but I don't see how its more than one sound.

Help!

[dementedpixie]

Ck and pp would be the phonemes . Trumpet has no phonemes but has 2 syllables: trum-pet

[Bogiesaremyonlyfriend]

Phoneme is the sound, grapheme is it written. The phoneme is the sound ck the grapheme is the letters ck together. I remember it as phone for phoneme which is a sound and graph for grapheme which you would see written down as in the pair of letters

[HonestTeacher]

P o ck e t

Po together is not a phoneme.

[MrsJ28903]

@dementedpixie that’s not quite right. Phonemes are the sounds that make up our language.
Trumpet is /t/ /r/ /u/ /m/ /p/ /e/ /t/. It has 7 phonemes.

[MrsJ28903]

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[prh47bridge]

No, po is not a phoneme. There are two separate sounds - p and o. There is no space between those sounds when speaking but the consonant sound from the p is a separate phoneme from the vowel sound produced by the o.

If you look at, say, pin, the p produces the same sound as in pocket but it is followed by a different vowel sound.

There are 5 phonemes in pocket represented by p, o, ck, e and t.

[FluffyPJs]

The written letter is called a grapheme.

The sounds you can hear in words are called phonemes.

When two letters make one sound, for example pp, ck, th, we call it a digraph.

When three letters make one sound eg igh, we call it a trigraph.

[toffeenose]

Thanks everyone. So I'm doing bucket, cricket, jacket and market now.
I have b u ck e t
c r i ck e t
j a ck e t
m a r k e t

[dementedpixie]

I suppose what I meant was that there weren't any grouped sounds like ck, pp, th in trumpet rather than no phonemes at all.

[FluffyPJs]

Toffeenose - that's correct. What's the homework? To count the phonemes?

[dementedpixie]

Yeah they look ok. Think my kids did that sort of thing and it was called diacritical marking or something

[CaptainMyCaptain]

Market would be m ar k e t. AR is one phoneme.

[toffeenose]

Hi Fluffy, yes. DS has a list of words which he has to analyse, find words in word, break down into syllables and then phonemes.

We've been doing it every night for weeks now and I'm still not getting many ticks!

Dreading parents evening..

[toffeenose]

So AR is one phoneme but AS is two?

[dementedpixie]

I wouldn't have put AR together in that word tbh

[Aragog]

/ar/ is a digraph (two written letters together) and makes one sound

m ar k e t

as is not a digraph not is it a single phoneme. It is two separate sounds a and s.

This is a list of the English alphabetic code: www.alphabeticcodecharts.com/Training_illustrated_The%20English%20Alphabetic%20Code.pdf

It includes a list of all the phonemes and the different ways to write those sounds.

For example, take the phoneme /ar/
This can be written as ar, a, al (if followed by m, f or ves)

[Norestformrz]

The phonemes
in Pocket are /p/ /o//k/ /i//t/
in Racket /r//a/ /k//i//t/
in Puppet /p//u/ /p/ /i/ t/
in Socket /s/ /o/ /k/ /i//t/
and in Trumpet /t/ /r/ /u//m/ / p//i//t/

[dementedpixie]

I think ar and er arent really taught as phonemes in scotland

[Norestformrz]

The phonemes in bucket are /b/ /u/ /k/ /i/ /t/
Cricket /c//r/i//k//i//t/
Jacket /j//a//k//i//i//t/
And market is /m//ar/ /k/ / i/ /t/

[Norestformrz]

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[ThisIsNotARealAvo]

On Twinkl (probably other places too) you can get phoneme mats with a picture of each phoneme. For example s - sock, igh- night, ar, market etc. This might help. I am a teacher who specialises in phonics by I had to learn it all too.

[Norestformrz]

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[reallynow1]

Mr Thorne does phonics explains things well - lots of vids on YouTube

[stucknoue]

You aren't alone, I never got it, neither did either of my DD's (one diagnosed with dyslexia, the other is autistic) didn't do them any harm though, both are at university

[avocadoze]

Just a thought: if your ds’s dyslexia specialist school is giving homework both you and she find confusing, and you’re consistently not able to do it, I’m not hugely impressed, as effectively you’re spending time reinforcing struggling with letters rather than reinforcing ease of recognition. Might be worth having a word with the teacher.