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annikin Sat 14-Jul-18 20:29:40

Sorry if this has already been asked, but do teachers have to give out actual scores for Year 2 sats? We have the vague 'teacher's assessments', but I'm interested in the raw scores. School aren't always exactly co-operative, so it would be helpful to know if it's my right to have them, or they have the right to withhold them. Thanks.

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newusername12345 Sat 14-Jul-18 20:36:33

Schools don't have to give sats results in year 2 but you can ask them to give you the results.

catkind Sat 14-Jul-18 20:53:52

You do have a right to see them. I did have to point out that I really didn't want to have to go to the lengths of a formal request under data protection or whatever it is for academic records.
ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/schools/pupils-info/

May take a little patience, DS's teacher thought she wasn't allowed to give them out.

annikin Sat 14-Jul-18 20:59:47

catkind, thank you very much for the link - I've printed it in case I have trouble with them!

Thank you both for your replies xx

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sirfredfredgeorge Sat 14-Jul-18 21:36:23

I'm really surprised teachers don't routinely go through them with their students, same as if they mark other work, especially KS1 where it's all internal.

Feenie Sun 15-Jul-18 01:42:36

They don’t go through the test results because, if they’re sensible, the children won’t even know they’be done them. Classwork is of the utmost importance in Y2 and only the teacher assessments are reported. Some schools choose to report test results but that gives the tests a status they simply don’t have - the teacher assessments are based on children meeting teacher assessment criteria and. nothing else. The tests are just decoration. And that’s why the whole shebang is being scrapped in two years. Pointless tests anyway, and any schoo that gives them any credence simply don’t understand the system.

Feenie Sun 15-Jul-18 01:46:05

Not sure why my autocorrect insists on schoo instead of school, but I’m sure you’ve got the gist. Ask for the results if you want, but they don’t mean anything. They’re 6/7 years old!

catkind Sun 15-Jul-18 09:20:11

That ought to be right feenie, but the information we get from school otherwise is so wishy washy, and the teacher assessments so broad band - something that gives you an actual number is a help for understanding whether "has made good progress and enjoyed the project on Vikings" means child is getting on okay or not. I suspect there is coded information in some of the waffle, the statements seem mechanical, but not knowing the code I don't know if "is beginning to xyz" is where they're supposed to be or 3 years behind. With full understanding that it's just one day, the fact DC were able to achieve X standard on that one day does give you a nationally comparable data point. (Also, i have to admit, data geek here, can't data geek without data!)

Norestformrz Sun 15-Jul-18 14:44:25

It may give you numbers but how useful are the numbers. They reflect what a child did in one test (40mins) of the year and unfortunately don't align that well with the actual curriculum.

happyasasandboy Sun 15-Jul-18 16:06:45

We were given the Yr 2 sats results alongside the end of Year report.

I don't put much stock in the tests themselves - if scrap them if I could. But having said that, I did find it useful to see a score for my kids relative to the national scores. One of my children is struggling at school, so it was really informative to see that she is above the national average, and so although she's behind the average kid in her school, she's not doing so badly. That's news that helps me to encourage her when she's feeling down about being behind (not that I share any of it with her as baldly as here; just that I can focus on boosting her confidence because I know there isn't a serious problem).

catkind Sun 15-Jul-18 16:35:46

I just explained the lack of information in the rest of the reporting mrz. That's why a number is helpful, even a one off one day number. Generally I'd say bad tests can be a bad day or child got confused, good tests do indicate a certain level of knowledge and skill. You can't suddenly magic up knowledge on test day that you didn't have before or after.
The trouble with TAs is it's very broad band and all or nothing. If you miss one thing, you didn't meet the standard. DS has some specific problems, so he would miss one thing, and the fact he did doesn't give us any info.

Lisaquin01 Sun 15-Jul-18 16:43:14

Our school doesnt publish raw scores but we are going to ask for them.

Norestformrz Sun 15-Jul-18 17:28:34

Good tests indicate that the type of question contained in the test suited the child but like any test it's impossible to test everything the child is expected to know so there is an element of luck involved. Add that to the mismatch between curriculum and assessment content and criteria it's a good thing they're going to be scrapped.

Naty1 Sun 15-Jul-18 18:48:20

I think teachers cant know exactly what a child can do. As eg i could have taught dd to tell the time overnight.

I think too schools manipulate the data so are less able to do that when faced with facts that a parent can/might be able to see.
Eg dd should have exceeded in reading in yr r. She was well above and easily at a level above most of yr 1 children.
With the psc getting all correct may have been why she got given the exceeded this time.
I think the maths result would have been different if there had been a maths test.

catkind Mon 16-Jul-18 14:49:42

So instead of knowing that DC knew 95% of the material that came up in the test we get a blank "DC has not met all the Y2 NC requirements". The former for me contains considerably more information value. You may be good at communicating the real picture to parents mrz, at our school there seems to be an embargo on communicating anything that says whether child is doing well or badly for their year.

And as naty says, strongly suspect a degree of manipulation. DD's beginning of reception baseline was staggeringly behind her actual abilities.They didn't hear her read a single page before half term so could honestly say they didn't have evidence she could. Can't help feeling that must have been deliberate. Preschool had told them, we'd mentioned it, DD talked about reading at her home visit too. They reassessed after the first parents evening but suspect the baseline her progress is being measured from remained working towards EYFS 40-60 or whatever the phrasing is. When actually she was reading better than DS who had just been assessed greater depth at year 2. That's 3 years they don't have to bother teaching her and can still demonstrate excellent progress.

Norestformrz Sat 21-Jul-18 19:34:26

"So instead of knowing that DC knew 95% of the material that came up in the test we get a blank "DC has not met all the Y2 NC requirements". The former for me contains considerably more information value." I'd agree if they informed you the actual questions your child got right/wrong.

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