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gender fluidity in primary schools -- parents beware!

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xennophon Mon 25-Sep-17 12:36:34

There is a huge danger here for every parent with a child in primary school. Justine Greening, herself a member of LGBT, is trying to indoctrinate children compulsorily with relationship classes, which will include the 'information' that changing gender is normal and easy so why don't you try it? She is caving in to every demand from the trans activists. If a child shows any interest in the toys or games or clothes usually associated with the other sex they will be invited to 'transition', which will probably lead in due course to hormone drug therapy and possible surgery. Sane medical voices urging restraint and therapy are to be silenced as 'transphobic'.I have told her that she will brainwash my 4-year-old daughter over my dead body. Parents, beware! Some schools are already inviting students to dress as for whatever gender, or one , they choose. This is the madness of 'true gender', a lunatic concept invented by the trans lobby whereby gender is no longer a biological fact but a notion in the head. Compassion and respect for trans people, yes, definitely, but at the same time recognise that rejecting one's body and saying 'I am really the opposite gender to what I was born with' is dysfunctional (that is why the pathology is called 'gender identity disorder'). Greening, in a fog of horrid 'political correctness' is determined, ISIL-like, to push her pernicious ideas into the head of every child, regardless of parents' wishes or feelings. All this to make trans people feel a little better about themselves, and to hell with the lives of our children. Be on guard. Make your voice heard.

Feenie Mon 25-Sep-17 12:57:20

Oh my god shock, where to start?

There's only one 'lunatic' in evidence here, I'm afraid.

stargirl1701 Mon 25-Sep-17 12:59:23

Gender was never a biological fact. It's a social construct.

JammyTodger Mon 25-Sep-17 13:00:07

Step away from the Daily Mail OP.

Terrylene Mon 25-Sep-17 13:03:12

If that doesn't work and they still don't understand, you can get a book about it for them wink endorsed by all the 'right' organisations

Neatly explains how they 'guess' your sex at birth.........

www.amazon.co.uk/Who-Are-You-Gender-Identity/dp/1785927280/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1506340835&sr=1-1&keywords=gender+identity&tag=mumsnetforum-21

TansyVioletta Mon 25-Sep-17 13:04:17

If a child shows any interest in the toys or games or clothes usually associated with the other sex they will be invited to 'transition'
Bollocks

MargotMoon Mon 25-Sep-17 13:07:29

But gender isn't a biological fact, sex is. Gender is a social construct.

MargotMoon Mon 25-Sep-17 13:08:45

@stargirl1701 Oops, sorry. Totally repeated what you said. Didn't rtft in my haste to point out to OP the crap being spouted wink

Looneytune253 Mon 25-Sep-17 13:16:55

To be fair though, I'm no expert but is this not where we were 20years ago about being gay etc. Teachers (over time) have had to push the idea that being gay is normal too and that children should be able to be gay if that's what they are. It was such an abstract idea at one time and now has become normal. It just takes time and for everyone to get used to the idea.

Terrylene Mon 25-Sep-17 13:28:36

Robert Webb (of Peep Show fame and author of How Not to be a Boy which has just come out) tweeted this story the other day.
4thwavenow.com/2016/12/17/a-mums-voyage-through-transtopia-helps-her-daughter-desist/

MiaowTheCat Mon 25-Sep-17 13:29:26

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Terrylene Mon 25-Sep-17 13:39:09

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/sep/20/children-are-straitjacketed-into-gender-roles-in-early-adolescence-says-study

There is a study that has come out recently about gender stereotyping.

brilliotic Mon 25-Sep-17 14:06:12

The statement 'this child does and always did prefer girl activities/things/colours/clothes' or 'this child does and always did behave like a girl' (which can then in some cases lead to the conclusion - by the child themselves or by their environment - that this child must actually BE a girl, rather than a boy who likes girl things and behaves like a girl) rests on the assumption that there ARE girl/boy activities/things/colours/clothes/behaviours.

Cut out the need to identify as a certain gender in order to gain legitimate access to certain things (e.g. the right to wear a dress/like pink/prefer trains over dolls/ ...) and you won't have nearly as many trans children (although, there aren't THAT many to start with, it's all a bit of a moral panic going on here).

My DS adored pink and purple. He was taught, at school, by his peers but also by his teachers, that pink is for girls. At home we had a mantra: Colours are for everyone. Despite our efforts, he learned 'the truth': Pink is for girls.
So what happened? He started violently hating pink - pretty much from one day to the next. Which to me indicates that he started suppressing his love of pink in order to better fit in.
His alternative would have been to conclude: "Well, if pink is for girls, and I truly love pink, I must in reality be a girl."
It's not enough to pretend he doesn't like pink - then he would have to conclude to himself that he is actually a girl, pretending to be a boy. He had to completely suppress and reject and bury his love for pink, hide it even from himself.

These things are incredibly damaging. The way forward has got to be to step back from gendering everything.
What I get from trans threads however is to demand of people (children!) who like things 'not meant' for their gender, to simply resist all the stereotypes. Yeah right, children should be able to do that, where most adults fail! 'A boy who likes pink is still a boy (who likes pink), rather than a girl'. True enough, but please let's work really hard at helping him understand that, rather than working really hard at teaching him that pink is for girls!

Logans Mon 25-Sep-17 14:08:28

Step away from the Daily Mail OP.

Yes, please do. Whatever JG's agenda is I doubt it is that extreme!

Terrylene Mon 25-Sep-17 14:17:27

The stories about transitioning seem to rely heavily on stereotyping. Even when they say you can be/do what you want, it seems to come back to describing a stereotype. It seems madness to set out on the journey of social transitioning young children (and to where that leads) to 'make it all right'. Children need to be free of the stereotypes.

No one seems to have learned from that court case where the mother isolated her child and convinced everyone that he was really a girl. That all unravelled when his father let him be. It was heard by a judge who has a huge amount of experience in that area.

Terrylene Mon 25-Sep-17 14:35:52

Yes, please do. Whatever JG's agenda is I doubt it is that extreme I would like to think that our political leaders have the interests of the people they represent at heart. But if they have something presented on a plate with a not that tells them that they will get lots of brownie points for this - they go straight for it without their brains on. [cynic]

Terrylene Mon 25-Sep-17 14:36:34

That should have read note - the e got lost somewhere.

brilliotic Mon 25-Sep-17 14:38:53

And then people get (rightly) upset at young children 'transitioning'. But this is what I don't get: Some of these upset people then start protesting against unisex toilets in primary school, against gender-neutral uniform policies. Because these policies were adopted in response to a 'trans' child.
When in actual fact everything that can be de-gendered, be it primary school toilets or uniforms or hair lengths or toys or colours or what have you - reduces the chance that a child who for whatever reason prefers something or other, ends up identifying as trans.

Our school does not allow girls to wear trousers. When I first saw that, I crossed it off our list. Just to discover that ALL our local primary schools require girls to wear dresses/skirts. Don't allow boys to do so of course. Boys must wear trousers (and girls mustn't).
THAT's the kind of thing we should be up in arms about. Gender-neutralising things such as uniforms is not pandering to trans-activists, it is allowing children be who they are without having to question their gender identity.

EvilDoctorBallerinaDuckKeidis Mon 25-Sep-17 14:40:07

OFFS. What would she make of my DD who loves Minecraft, Pokemon, pretty dresses and hair accessories? Maybe she's like I was, a girl who likes some "boy" things? hmm

morningtoncrescent62 Mon 25-Sep-17 15:37:46

Justine Greening, herself a member of LGBT

Oooh, now there's a phrase I haven't heard since the 1980s when the Tory press whipped up hysteria about The Lesbians recruiting in schools.

xennophon Tue 26-Sep-17 08:39:56

Is this a serious post?

xennophon Tue 26-Sep-17 09:54:58

Thanks for this link. Brilliant article.

Alfieisnoisy Tue 26-Sep-17 10:10:20

Shock and horror at children being allowed to express themselves!

It's been going on for years OP. It's why my son dressed up in pink sparkly dresses at nursery and in reception....and why he had a dolly.

At 15 he wouldn't dream of doing those things but at aged 4-5 he loved it all and was encouraged to enjoy it.

I don't see the big deal personally.

EvilDoctorBallerinaDuckKeidis Tue 26-Sep-17 10:44:39

Alfie the big deal is that if he was 4 now, they'd be telling him he was really a girl. DS2 is 6, he went to a Halloween party and trick or treating dressed as a witch a couple of years ago. I'd have been horrified if someone had told him he must be a girl then.

Terrylene Tue 26-Sep-17 11:06:14

Someone told me I was a boy because I dressed up as a cowboy at Playgroup sad

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