Magnetic phonic letters/sounds

[blamethecat]

Ds will be starting school in Sept, the school uses read write inc, I am thinking about getting some magnets for home is there a difference between the different 'types of systems or will any phonic letters do the job?

[mrz]

If you're buying magnetic letters make sure there are upper and lower case letters. For phonics you need joined digraphs (th, sh, ch, ai, ee, etc.) rather than single letters.

[Tomorrowillbeachicken]

I'd get the read write inc packs of cards tbh instead to make words from the digraphs and phonemes.

[mrz]

If you don't want magnets just buy post it notes and write the sounds on them to build words.

I recommend the Sounds Write app if you have an I pad or the new on line course for parents https://www.udemy.com/help-your-child-to-read-and-write/

[user789653241]

Mrz's magnetic letters looks very good with joined letters. I didn't know they existed.
I simply bought huge quantities of magnetic letters from charity shop and ds used it to make words and sentences on the white board.

[mrz]

It really helps if the child learns that some sounds are spelt using one, two, three or even four letters from the start. That way you avoid them sounding out each letter (making it impossible to hear the word) rather than saying each sound.

Personally I think post it notes or even scraps of paper work just as well.

[user789653241]

Yes, I can definitely see the benefit of making up different words using those.

[jamdonut]

This is the Speed sounds chart we use during Read,Write , Inc lessons.
The top line of each section is the sound that all the sounds below make. It looks like some are repeated, but they are different eg OW - brown cow and OW - blow the snow.

The vowels are said as ah, eh, ih, oh, uh

Hope this helps

[blamethecat]

Thank you for the replies. I have a book with (I think) flash cards on order and some magnets too. This will all be used very lightly as i have no plans to hot house him ! The chart looks similar to the magnets I ordered jam and thanks for explaining the pronunciation. I don't remember anything like this from school ! I do remember letter land though.

[mrz]

A video of how to pronounce the sounds https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MsN8-pwjCMQ

The important thing is to say the sound precisely so not buh or cuh or duh but /b/ /k//d/ and /a/ /e/ /o/ not ah, eh, oh.

Personally I'd recommend starting with aural blending and segmenting words before introducing letter symbols ...can he hear the word if you say the sounds and can he say the sounds if you say the word? It's important not to teach the sounds in isolation and to teach blending (for reading) and segmenting (for spelling ) alongside.

[ElBandito]

Aural blending you can do anywhere, even in the queue for the b u s.

[blamethecat]

What sound does the oo with eyes make ?

[IceLollyInThePaddlingPool]

Not an expert but maybe the oo in book, look?

[user789653241]

My ds used to have phonics poster from library, hanged up on the wall. He figured it out by looking at it regularly. (I didn't have a clue what it was, until he started school, I am a foreinger.)
I think it had picture of "oo" with eyes, for word look, and picture of a book.

[mrz]

More helpful to have words containing the sounds IMHO

[user789653241]

My ds had similar, but with more pictures for each sound. For young children, it is more enjoyable to look at the poster with lots of pictures rather than lots of words!

[mrz]

For some children the pictures are distracting and cause confusion. Is that a horse or a pony (mare, colt, stallion etc) is that a girl or a child or is it young or something she's wearing or doing? And of course some words are just impossible to illustrate with a single image. It's why we moved from pictographs to writing.

[user789653241]

I think it depend on the purpose and the age of the children.
My hyperlexic ds certainly may have shown interest in the pictureless poster at age 2, but I don't think a lot of pre-school children show interest in the poster without picture, long enough to learn and figure out code by their own will!

[mrz]

They aren't intended for children to take an interest in. They are a tool to help with encoding and decoding (and inform parents who may not feel confident). I confess I dislike those colourful alphabet charts immensely!

[HarveySchlumpfenburger]

I'm not sure pre school children need to be looking at the chart for a long time unless they are already showing some sort of natural curiosity about reading, irvine. And those children that are ready will be fine without the pictures.

[user789653241]

Ha ha, Rafa. Yes, that's true. And "long" was wrong choice of words.
My ds had no input from me re: phonics. Yet he figured out some how to decode. I just assumed it was mixture of looking at the poster often, and lots of books at home, etc.
He learned all the times tables, world map, names of the planet, dinosaur etc., same way from poster, just looking at it. But he was younger at the time, so maybe don't need pictures if they are older.

[Justnowthisone]

Hi Irvine can you suggest some nice posters for interest please?

Likewise where can we get the Read Write Inc stuff?

Our DS who's only 21 months is obsessed with letters. Like 1.2 m at the pool he will should "mmmm" and go to it and look beaming at it, O in Orange Squash on a bottle at a market he goes Awe at it - so we've put up some letters and words on his stuff around the house like F and I drew a fish and stuck on the fishtail and T and W (small one) over the tap from where water flows - he really enjoys it and when we read stories he will ask what every. Single. Letter. Is. this means we don't often get to complete books of stories!

[Justnowthisone]

Also to say of course he enjoys and throrougjly loved books and stories and turning pages - jut that right now he wants to ask us "what is this?" For every single letter! Including pub names and toilet signs!

[mrz]

You don't need the pictures when they are younger either Irvine. It looks pretty but adds nothing to the actual learning. Much better to learn in the context of words (texts) than in isolation and in different positions within words (not always the initial sound)

[user789653241]

Hi, Justnow, we bought a lot of posters from library.(My ds is a collector, he wants all of it.) Also some book shops, early learning center and some 99p shop had lots of collection.
I think the key is put it up at child's eye level, so it catches their eyes all the time. And let them choose what interests them. At one point, my ds was obsessed with vitamines different veg/fruit have.

I think this is similar to what you are looking for, mrz has kindly shared on one of the thread.
www.udemy.com/help-your-child-to-read-and-write/.

[user789653241]

Yes, I agree with you, mrz, but I wasn't intending to teach or make him learn how to read. It was a lucky accident, he has shown interests in all those posters on the library wall and wanted it. He has shown interest on the ones without pictures, like times tables, months/days/season, measurement, etc., as well, but ones with picture has caught more of his attention, but like I said, I wasn't using it as a teaching tool at all. As for the phonic poster, I didn't even know what are those weird things like "ir" or "ur" or whatever meant to do! Just pretty things ds has delighted to decorate his rooms with. And he was around 2 at the time, or even younger.